Jags vs. Texans Reactions

Started by Keith-N-Jax, October 30, 2011, 04:37:28 PM

duvaldude08

Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I  am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.

sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.

Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.

Zach Miller is on IR also. And we to cut one of our best players before the season even started. No need to defend, this entire O-line is trash.
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Shwaz

How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?
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Keith-N-Jax

Yes he has alot to learn, but I see more blame on him which is unfair. Big Ben really, he certainly has an outstanding cast around him also doesn't he. What does BG have, MJD? Once again David has worked with these guys for a number of years. Dropping TD passes doesn't help either help either.  These same so called critics criticized David as well.

Shwaz

Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I  am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.

sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.

Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.

Zach Miller is on IR also. And we to cut one of our best players before the season even started. No need to defend, this entire O-line is trash.

Last I checked Miller was a pass catching TE. If you listen the football knowledgeable - homer & national - they'll tell you there are some good players on the OL. Meester - Uwnari - Monroe have all played well - Bradfield did spectacular when he was called in a few weeks ago.

And though I long to embrace, I will not replace my priorities: humour, opinion, a sense of compassion, creativity and a distaste for fashion.

Keith-N-Jax

Big Ben doesnt have a coach playing not to lose either. How long have we watch Del Rio try nurse a 6 point lead?

duvaldude08

Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?

I believe this is part of our problem. Every teams situation is different. So lets stop comparing  Blaine/Jags to other teams. For example, Carolina O-line is is doing great, however they have the same record as we do. WHy?? Because they are other issues. Every team has different situations. Ours is bad coaching and a terriable O-line PERIOD
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duvaldude08

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Shwaz

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 11:44:01 AM
Yes he has alot to learn, but I see more blame on him which is unfair. Big Ben really, he certainly has an outstanding cast around him also doesn't he. What does BG have, MJD? Once again David has worked with these guys for a number of years. Dropping TD passes doesn't help either help either.  These same so called critics criticized David as well.

What blame - everything I've read here has the the fingers pointed at just about everyone else.

I fully understand that he's a rookie without the best OL in the game and sub par weapons around him... but the coddling here is just ludicrous.

And though I long to embrace, I will not replace my priorities: humour, opinion, a sense of compassion, creativity and a distaste for fashion.

duvaldude08

Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I  am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.

sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.

Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.

Zach Miller is on IR also. And we to cut one of our best players before the season even started. No need to defend, this entire O-line is trash.

Last I checked Miller was a pass catching TE. If you listen the football knowledgeable - homer & national - they'll tell you there are some good players on the OL. Meester - Uwnari - Monroe have all played well - Bradfield did spectacular when he was called in a few weeks ago.

And we are still losing. So all of that rings hollow at this point. Hell MJD and Mercedes are good players as well. So does it make it any better that we have an O-line of good players that are still losing??
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Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:51:03 AM

What blame - everything I've read here has the the fingers pointed at just about everyone else.

I fully understand that he's a rookie without the best OL in the game and sub par weapons around him... but the coddling here is just ludicrous.

see: 
QuoteAll in all, it's about what I expected, but I really have to agree that Gabbert seems to be regressing - he still throws a good ball, but when things break down (and they're breaking down quickly) he needs to diagnose the scenario better.  I think the announces said that he needs to use his checkdowns more, but I haven't seen it.  IMO, we need to keep him under center and run more slants and outs.  He can make those throws, they're quick outs so he shouldn't get hit as much and mix in the playaction for the deep ball.  Let Thomas use his 4.4 speed and get down the sideline.

I'm pointing fingers in all directions.  He's making rookie mistakes, but the team around him isn't really helping matters.

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Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
And we are still losing. So all of that rings hollow at this point. Hell MJD and Mercedes are good players as well. So does it make it any better that we have an O-line of good players that are still losing??

Lewis has played horribly.  He doesn't deserve anything but blame.  How many TD passes has he dropped now?  3 by my count.
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duvaldude08

Everyone on here knows Im the most passionate Jags fan out there. But right about now, I have stepped over to the dark side with Keith (LOL). No more time for excuses for anyone, this O-line sucks. I will not say this team sucks, because our defense brings their lunch to work every game. There is  a long list of reasons that are the way we are, and the number one item is the coaching and the list goes on. Unless there is a mid season miracle, this season is a wrap as of yesterday.
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Keith-N-Jax

Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.

duvaldude08

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.

Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.
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copperfiend

Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?

Roethlisberger had Jerome Bettis/Willie Parker in the backfield his rookie year and had Hines Ward/Plaxico Burress/Antwan Randle-El to throw to. Not to mention he had probably the best offensive line in football blocking for him. Never has a rookie QB had a more ideal situation to step into.