The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

duvaldude08

I think League wide they are taking a different approach. The Browns also said they are not cutting Josh Gordon. I do the NFL needs to change how they handle those situation. Just saying Oh well and cutting the person, that only rids the team of the issue, but the individual lifes continues to crumble, and usually just gets worse. I feel like if you tell them we are a team and you are my family, then you definately dont turn your back on them. Of course, there is always a breaking point, just like real family. There is a time when you just have to let go.  And its not like Blackmon is counting against our roster number, so cutting him only disasscoiates him the Jaguars, and thats about it.
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duvaldude08

Before anyone calls me crazy, personally I would cut his ass and keep it moving. You cant help someone who does not want help. I was just putting a spin on it and looking at it Khans point of view. :)
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taylormiller

While the league may be changing their approach, they should also give teams a little bit more control.

Per the suspension, Blackmon isn't allowed at the team facility and Khan is quoted as saying "hopefully he gets the help he needs." If the NFL is serious about getting troubled players help, the player should be encouraged to be at the team facility because at least for 8-10 hours per day, you know where he is. Furthermore, it gets the player in front of the coaches, GM and owner who can offer their own suggestions, pair him with a player as a roommate, etc. Instead, the policy now is to close the door and tell the player to go away - OF COURSE something like this most recent arrest will happen!

I'm a huge fan of Blackmon. Until today, I was holding out hope that we may see him in the 2015 season. Unless the NFL changes their rules to give teams the ability to have a suspended player report to the facility, we won't be seeing JB any time soon. Instead, he'll be getting into all sorts of trouble while Khan has his fingers crossed saying "hopefully."

duvaldude08

Quote from: taylormiller on July 24, 2014, 03:56:12 PM
While the league may be changing their approach, they should also give teams a little bit more control.

Per the suspension, Blackmon isn't allowed at the team facility and Khan is quoted as saying "hopefully he gets the help he needs." If the NFL is serious about getting troubled players help, the player should be encouraged to be at the team facility because at least for 8-10 hours per day, you know where he is. Furthermore, it gets the player in front of the coaches, GM and owner who can offer their own suggestions, pair him with a player as a roommate, etc. Instead, the policy now is to close the door and tell the player to go away - OF COURSE something like this most recent arrest will happen!

I'm a huge fan of Blackmon. Until today, I was holding out hope that we may see him in the 2015 season. Unless the NFL changes their rules to give teams the ability to have a suspended player report to the facility, we won't be seeing JB any time soon. Instead, he'll be getting into all sorts of trouble while Khan has his fingers crossed saying "hopefully."

You bring up a validate point. How is the person being away from the team helping them? The team, which is like their family, may be the only thing to save them. How can you support someone you can not contact? You are very right. The NFL needs to change. Period.
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IrvAdams

Quote from: duvaldude08 on July 24, 2014, 04:05:04 PM
Quote from: taylormiller on July 24, 2014, 03:56:12 PM
While the league may be changing their approach, they should also give teams a little bit more control.

Per the suspension, Blackmon isn't allowed at the team facility and Khan is quoted as saying "hopefully he gets the help he needs." If the NFL is serious about getting troubled players help, the player should be encouraged to be at the team facility because at least for 8-10 hours per day, you know where he is. Furthermore, it gets the player in front of the coaches, GM and owner who can offer their own suggestions, pair him with a player as a roommate, etc. Instead, the policy now is to close the door and tell the player to go away - OF COURSE something like this most recent arrest will happen!

I'm a huge fan of Blackmon. Until today, I was holding out hope that we may see him in the 2015 season. Unless the NFL changes their rules to give teams the ability to have a suspended player report to the facility, we won't be seeing JB any time soon. Instead, he'll be getting into all sorts of trouble while Khan has his fingers crossed saying "hopefully."

You bring up a validate point. How is the person being away from the team helping them? The team, which is like their family, may be the only thing to save them. How can you support someone you can not contact? You are very right. The NFL needs to change. Period.

Agree. The team is often considered the family, the player should be able to interact with them.
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edjax

Just saw on T-U website that Everbank and Jags   and City will announce a 10 year extension tomorrow for naming rights which will run through 2024.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: taylormiller on July 24, 2014, 03:56:12 PM
While the league may be changing their approach, they should also give teams a little bit more control.

Per the suspension, Blackmon isn't allowed at the team facility and Khan is quoted as saying "hopefully he gets the help he needs." If the NFL is serious about getting troubled players help, the player should be encouraged to be at the team facility because at least for 8-10 hours per day, you know where he is. Furthermore, it gets the player in front of the coaches, GM and owner who can offer their own suggestions, pair him with a player as a roommate, etc. Instead, the policy now is to close the door and tell the player to go away - OF COURSE something like this most recent arrest will happen!

I'm a huge fan of Blackmon. Until today, I was holding out hope that we may see him in the 2015 season. Unless the NFL changes their rules to give teams the ability to have a suspended player report to the facility, we won't be seeing JB any time soon. Instead, he'll be getting into all sorts of trouble while Khan has his fingers crossed saying "hopefully."

I just had this discussion with some friends the other day.  And while I agree with the sentiment of it, you have to be pragmatic and realize that by doing the 'right' (moral) thing, the possibility to do something 'wrong' (sportsmanship) becomes greater.

My take on the NFL's reasoning:  As it stands, when a player is suspended from the league, their team still owns the rights to that player when / if they return and they're not forced to use one of their coveted roster spots on that player.  But if you allowed the player into team facilities you would also allow them access to everything else football.  They would still be up-to-date on their positional schemes, etc..., they just wouldn't be allowed on the field.  In essence, they would still be an active part in the planning. 

My take as a human:  If a team has a player(s) suspended by the league for substance abuse issues (NOT PEDs), then they should have the option to retain the player using some sort of exemption.  They should have to PAY the player while they're going through treatment.  I'm not suggesting that they get anything close to their full contract amount, but a percentage.  Enough to keep the player from falling completely behind in other aspects of life.  The suspended players shouldn't be allowed to practice with the team, but should be required to sit through all of the normal meetings and such, keep their work-out regimen and do the required counseling until the time that they're re-instated. 

In my scenario, or others' like it, you would still give the suspended player a purpose;  a reason to keep pushing; And most importantly, you would allow them to keep a support system around them, in most cases, the only support system that they've known since high school - their teammates (peers) and coaches (guidance).  These aren't regular people.  They've been playing a sport since a young age and have more or less dedicated their lives to that sport and once you take that away....  What do they have left?

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Charles Hunter

Four game suspension for having some pot, while Ray Rice only gets two games for assaulting and knocking his [then] fiancĂ©e (now wife) out cold and dragging her unconscious out of an elevator.   Something wrong here.  Granted, Blackmon's is a third (?) offense, but a lighter penalty for cold-cocking a woman?
Also, according to this article, there's this about Colts owner Jim Irsay:
QuoteThe cynic would suggest that Goodell is attempting to lower the bar for the potential punishment of Colts owner Jim Irsay, who faces two misdemeanor charges after a March arrest on suspicion of driving under the influence. According to the police report, Irsay had $29,000 cash and numerous prescription med bottles and pills in the vehicle, he struggled to stand up after stepping out of the vehicle, and he refused a blood test, which resulted in his license being suspended for a year.
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duvaldude08

Wait! I am reading this right? Something positive?  ;D

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EverBank extends Jacksonville naming rights deal through 2024
Posted by Mike Florio on July 25, 2014, 9:33 AM EDT

Getty ImagesAs the Jaguars prepare to unveil gigantic new video boards, they're renewing their vows with an existing sponsor.

Via the Florida Times-Union, the Jaguars will announce on Friday a deal with EverBank that will keep the financial institution's name on the stadium where the team plays through 2024.

Technically, it's a 10-year extension to the five-year, $16.6 million contract signed in 2010.  The average value of the new deal is expected to exceed the $3.32 million per year average of the current contract.

It'll possibly need to go up a lot for the Jaguars to see a net gain.  Jacksonville agreed to sacrifice its right to 25 percent of the money under the first contract.  The Jaguars will have to negotiate that term all over again in the new deal.

The Jaguars quietly have surged in the local market since the sale of the team from Wayne Weaver to Shad Khan.  Rumors of relocation have subsided if not disappeared, even though the team currently plays one game per year in London.  Ticket sales are up, the team is improving, and a solid front office and coaching staff are in place, with Dave Caldwell and Gus Bradley leading the way.

Throw in a weak AFC South, and the Jags could make a run at their first playoff berth since 2007.



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Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: duvaldude08 on July 25, 2014, 12:30:08 PM
Wait! I am reading this right? Something positive?  ;D

The same thing that I thought when I read it...

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KenFSU

Man, what is going ON with our receivers.

Tandon Doss was injured yesterday, possible with a broken ankle, and now Allen Robinson is out for "a significant amount of time" due to injury.

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Quote from: KenFSU on August 01, 2014, 12:26:12 PM
Man, what is going ON with our receivers.

Tandon Doss was injured yesterday, possible with a broken ankle, and now Allen Robinson is out for "a significant amount of time" due to injury.

Ankle is not broken, only a sprain. 

Robinson is another hamstring.

Soft tissue injuries....  Preventable, but unavoidable.
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KenFSU

^ Thanks goodness.

Two weeks is what the TU is reporting for both.

Not as bad as I feared, but still, not a good time to be a receiver for the Jags :/

spuwho

Bloomberg ranked NFL ticket value. The Jags appeared in both.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-14/nfl-tickets-are-way-too-cheap-especially-in-green-bay

If a team were to consider moving its prices closer to what the market would bear, a good way to think about doing so would be to look at the premium fans pay on the secondary market. Here's a look at how much over face value fans are spending to buy tickets, courtesy of SeatGeek.

Smallest Premium                    Largest Premium
Rams:    48.7 percent        Packers:    267.8 percent
Jaguars:    59.7 percent        Saints:    263.1 percent
Chiefs:    64 percent          Steelers:    247.9 percent
Jets:    73.1 percent       Bears:    213.3 percent
Vikings:    77.1 percent            Broncos:    210 percent


In terms of price per win, however, the Browns are actually the eighth-most expensive team in the league, at $9.03 over the last four years. The Patriots were the most expensive team in the league at $117 per ticket, but the 11th-best deal: Fans paid on average only $6.93 per win. Here's a leaderboard, in price-per-win terms:

Cheapest Good Teams    Most Expensive Bad Teams
Saints:    $5.36             Cowboys:    $11.02
Packers:    $5.39             Jets:    $10.58
Seahawks:    $5.40     Redskins:    $10.54
Falcons:    $5.74             Jaguars:    $9.87
Steelers:    $5.74             Vikings:    $9.59