The Jacksonville Jaguars

[copperfiend]

Henne as well!

To all the Gabbert apologists...look what our team can do with a competent QB. Henne isn't great...he's not top tier...but he's definitely COMPETENT. He knows how to run an offense. He knows how to read the defense. He knows basic skills that Gabbert just. doesn't. have. Sorry folks, it is what it is.

And...Henne did all that on a day with SEVEN sacks, an interception, and a lackluster D. If that was Gabbert....everyone would be saying "it's the O-lines fault"...now, we're celebrating a Win.

Henne had his chances in training camp and the preseason. He was awful. He almost lost the backup job to Jordan Palmer. When Gabbert got hurt against Oakland, Henne came in and was awful again. Prior to Houston, he was outplayed by Gabbert. As a Jaguar fan, I am glad that Henne has played well the last two weeks. But I don't think Henne is any type of a long term answer.

[duvaldude08]

Henne as well!

To all the Gabbert apologists...look what our team can do with a competent QB. Henne isn't great...he's not top tier...but he's definitely COMPETENT. He knows how to run an offense. He knows how to read the defense. He knows basic skills that Gabbert just. doesn't. have. Sorry folks, it is what it is.

And...Henne did all that on a day with SEVEN sacks, an interception, and a lackluster D. If that was Gabbert....everyone would be saying "it's the O-lines fault"...now, we're celebrating a Win.

Henne had his chances in training camp and the preseason. He was awful. He almost lost the backup job to Jordan Palmer. When Gabbert got hurt against Oakland, Henne came in and was awful again. Prior to Houston, he was outplayed by Gabbert. As a Jaguar fan, I am glad that Henne has played well the last two weeks. But I don't think Henne is any type of a long term answer.

I would cation that tpye thinking. Training camp and preseason, as we have seen, is not an accurate way to evaluate anyones performance. Remember when we cut Garrad? McKown LOOKED better than him in training camp and the preseason, and you see how that turned out. Jordan Palmer was good in the preseason, playing against three string defenses. Thats a huge difference. Henne even admitted that against Oakland he wasn't prepared like he should have been. I think he will be fine. How many times have we seen a team cut a player, and they go to anthoner team and succeed? It happens every season. I like what I see so far

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I almost despise having to be the voice of reason here, but why don't we just hope that Henne is coming into his own and what we're seeing isn't a fluke - maybe he's just now 'getting it'.

While I'm at it, why is everyone so quick to kick Gabbert to the curb?  I know it's hard for most of you to think positive, but what if Gabbert really is as good as his top 10 pick and he's just a little slow to develop. 

Holy shit!?!  Maybe, even if only for a brief second, let's look at the possibility of having 2 starting quality QBs on our roster.  Let Henne keep balling and let Gabbert develop (the way it was planned for those of you with such short memories) and we go into next season with a legit QB competition.   

Damn the negativity around here, you bastards are not bringing me down.   

[duvaldude08]

I almost despise having to be the voice of reason here, but why don't we just hope that Henne is coming into his own and what we're seeing isn't a fluke - maybe he's just now 'getting it'.

While I'm at it, why is everyone so quick to kick Gabbert to the curb?  I know it's hard for most of you to think positive, but what if Gabbert really is as good as his top 10 pick and he's just a little slow to develop. 

Holy shit!?!  Maybe, even if only for a brief second, let's look at the possibility of having 2 starting quality QBs on our roster.  Let Henne keep balling and let Gabbert develop (the way it was planned for those of you with such short memories) and we go into next season with a legit QB competition.   

Damn the negativity around here, you bastards are not bringing me down.   

Well Im actually all for keeping Gabbert, even if he is just a back-up. He's not terrible, but his development has stalled up until this point. His main issues is pocket presence and keeping his eyes down field. Some games he does it perfect, other games he crumbles. I agree with keeping him on the roster, but I dont think anyone, including Khan has the patience to scarfice another season for the sake of development. But we do have to learn how to treat our QB's better. Like that crap going on in San Francisco I don't agree with. Alex Smith has been there through thick and thin, and got them to the championship game last season, and they have been trying to replace him since the off season. That kinda crap is dead wrong.

[copperfiend]

I would cation that tpye thinking. Training camp and preseason, as we have seen, is not an accurate way to evaluate anyones performance. Remember when we cut Garrad? McKown LOOKED better than him in training camp and the preseason, and you see how that turned out. Jordan Palmer was good in the preseason, playing against three string defenses. Thats a huge difference. Henne even admitted that against Oakland he wasn't prepared like he should have been. I think he will be fine. How many times have we seen a team cut a player, and they go to anthoner team and succeed? It happens every season. I like what I see so far

Trust me, I hope he is fine. But before last week, he was terrible.

[I-10east]

I'm so glad that we finally won the first home game. I got a couple of critiques about the game. Yesterday we got our first sack of the year from a non-linemen; Any coincidence with the lack of blitzes all year from the secondary Mel?

I thought that the decision to go for it on 4th & 3 just before the half was beyond stupid, giving the Titans an automatic 3 points; Even the play call was dumb, a deep pass, we're lucky that crap didn't cost us the game.

We have got to protect our QB, seven sacks is way too many. The D came through it the clutch when we really needed it at the end. Henne looked solid throughout. Go Jags!

[duvaldude08]

AS a football fan, we will always find something to complain about. Thats why I just stopped!  I float around to different team websites, elite teams, and they complain about everything. I guess thats what we do? LOL but a serious note, staffing dictates the play calling. Our defense is not staffed to alot of things this season. The crew we had last year was able to do alot more because of who we had on the field. Our lineback core and secondary is full of first year rookies who were drafted LATE and undrafted free agents, etc etc. We can blitz all day but if its not effective (which it probably wont be), then we'll probably give up a huge play. When you have a patchwork defense who ranks dead last in everything, I couldnt imagine a blitz being successful. Just my thoughts on it.

[Wacca Pilatka]

AS a football fan, we will always find something to complain about. Thats why I just stopped!  I float around to different team websites, elite teams, and they complain about everything. I guess thats what we do? LOL but a serious note, staffing dictates the play calling. Our defense is not staffed to alot of things this season. The crew we had last year was able to do alot more because of who we had on the field. Our lineback core and secondary is full of first year rookies who were drafted LATE and undrafted free agents, etc etc. We can blitz all day but if its not effective (which it probably wont be), then we'll probably give up a huge play. When you have a patchwork defense who ranks dead last in everything, I couldnt imagine a blitz being successful. Just my thoughts on it.

I think you are right.  That was also cited as a reason for not blitzing much in 2009 (when we only had 14 sacks all season).

If Daryl and Session were in there you'd see some more blitzing.  I'm glad we at least had that effective corner blitz with Harris.

We've had at least two instances of blitzes this year leading to a happy result only to have a penalty negate the play.  One was with the Antwon Blake blitz against Cincinnati and the other the Poz blitz against the Lions that should have resulted in a fumble recovery TD.

[duvaldude08]

AS a football fan, we will always find something to complain about. Thats why I just stopped!  I float around to different team websites, elite teams, and they complain about everything. I guess thats what we do? LOL but a serious note, staffing dictates the play calling. Our defense is not staffed to alot of things this season. The crew we had last year was able to do alot more because of who we had on the field. Our lineback core and secondary is full of first year rookies who were drafted LATE and undrafted free agents, etc etc. We can blitz all day but if its not effective (which it probably wont be), then we'll probably give up a huge play. When you have a patchwork defense who ranks dead last in everything, I couldnt imagine a blitz being successful. Just my thoughts on it.

I think you are right.  That was also cited as a reason for not blitzing much in 2009 (when we only had 14 sacks all season).

If Daryl and Session were in there you'd see some more blitzing.  I'm glad we at least had that effective corner blitz with Harris.

We've had at least two instances of blitzes this year leading to a happy result only to have a penalty negate the play.  One was with the Antwon Blake blitz against Cincinnati and the other the Poz blitz against the Lions that should have resulted in a fumble recovery TD.

Harris pretty damn good. Didnt we get in him the 6th round??

[I-10east]

I'm not saying that we should blitz often that would be crazy, I'm just saying throw it in there every once in a while to keep a QB from having a clean jersey for four quarters. Face it, we aren't getting to the QB with the front four.

The other option is to play a regular defense, rushing four damn-near all of the time like we are the freaking New York Giants, let the opposing QB have eight seconds in the pocket, torching us relentlessly anyway. Not all of our secondary consist of young kids, we do have some long time vets back there also. We aren't going to the playoffs, so when you're not that good, you gotta gimmick things up a lil. Just my opinion.

[Elwood]

I think it's a bit early to hop aboard the "Henne train" just yet. While his performance was admirable under such sorry protection (7 sacks), I wouldn't label it as something that merits the starting job next season either. Any Jags fan loves a win over the Titans. But let's keep it in perspective-they are a BAD 4-7 team. Henne will have the rest of the year to prove he is/isn't deserving of a "shot" at the starting job. Gabbert has some responsibilty in the 2-9 record, but the sorry line play, dropped balls, and a defense that isn't even a shadow of it's former self are just as responsible. Best case scenario, imo, is Henne (and the rest of the team) plays well the remainder of the year, Gabbert has his surgery and makes a full recovery, and you go into camp next season with the two of them battling it out-the best QB wins. Otherwise, you are headed back to the draft table next spring, looking for "The" guy, AGAIN. I think you have to be 100% sure Gabbert can't be "The" guy before you throw in the towel on him. And I think we have seen signs of what he can do. Not enough to say he is our starter for the long term. But also not enough to throw away the investment we have in him either.

[Ocklawaha]

I'm not saying that we should blitz often that would be crazy, I'm just saying throw it in there every once in a while to keep a QB from having a clean jersey for four quarters. Face it, we aren't getting to the QB with the front four.

The other option is to play a regular defense, rushing four damn-near all of the time like we are the freaking New York Giants, let the opposing QB have eight seconds in the pocket, torching us relentlessly anyway. Not all of our secondary consist of young kids, we do have some long time vets back there also. We aren't going to the playoffs, so when you're not that good, you gotta gimmick things up a lil. Just my opinion.

Are you suggesting that our team doesn't blitz?  That our front four are not getting the job done as well as say, Miami or Pittsburgh?  We don't have to be like New York to win! 

All of this negative Nelly talk about Jacksonville, just so typical of metrojacksonville people.  Ya know if you really hate the city that much I-95 is waiting for you. 

[duvaldude08]

I think it's a bit early to hop aboard the "Henne train" just yet. While his performance was admirable under such sorry protection (7 sacks), I wouldn't label it as something that merits the starting job next season either. Any Jags fan loves a win over the Titans. But let's keep it in perspective-they are a BAD 4-7 team. Henne will have the rest of the year to prove he is/isn't deserving of a "shot" at the starting job. Gabbert has some responsibilty in the 2-9 record, but the sorry line play, dropped balls, and a defense that isn't even a shadow of it's former self are just as responsible. Best case scenario, imo, is Henne (and the rest of the team) plays well the remainder of the year, Gabbert has his surgery and makes a full recovery, and you go into camp next season with the two of them battling it out-the best QB wins. Otherwise, you are headed back to the draft table next spring, looking for "The" guy, AGAIN. I think you have to be 100% sure Gabbert can't be "The" guy before you throw in the towel on him. And I think we have seen signs of what he can do. Not enough to say he is our starter for the long term. But also not enough to throw away the investment we have in him either.

Its funny how everyone is acting like the Texans game never happened. That was a stellar performance for our offense. The defense blew that one. We ate the Texans top rated defense alive, thats a huge deal. And Henne still performing well with poor protection Sunday, is also a huge deal. Im not ready to say he will take us to the promise land, but I will give credit where its do and Im not taking shit away from him or the offensein particular. Just as Gabbert Henne has played through the same conditions,  poor proctection (seven sacks), dropped passes (there were four against the Texans if Im not mistaken) and  poor defensive play at times (defense blew a huge lead in Houston and almost did it again Sunday). He still got the job done ont he offense. He took a beating Sunday and didnt flince not once. And as much as a gabbert supporter I am, Im ready to win. Its to the point, there are no more excuses. Either he is our guy or he isnt. We are playing on an international stage for the next four years and I do not want to be embarassed. We cant waste another season on development. This franchise has been plauged with this QB mess for almost 10 years and the fans are going to be very paitent, and I believe the front office knows that. So if Henne continues to show signs as the true starter, make sunshine the back up and keep it moving. If Henne is up and down, then a training camp battle is in order.

[duvaldude08]

Oh!! On thing that does play a factor right now is..... they changed the Wr routes. Its funny they have talked about it much, but I read on ESPN and heard Mularkey talk about them taking the receivers off those isloation routes. It was stated that isloation routes puts more pressure on the receiver to get open, and that our receivers were not experienced enough for that.. So that small factor is also a reason why Blackmon and Shorts have ran wild. As far as Gene Smith here's where it gets tricky, what if this guys actually turn things around and really play like a real team the rest of the season. Do you say, "well, he got the QB wrong, but the rest of his picks are playing their asses off, and he got us two top receivers." and keep him on board, or just go in another direction? That gets tricky. Even if he "messed up with gabbert", he still searched the trenches for Chad Henne and some of the other free agents Like Poz, Landry and Lowery, who are damn good.  I just have a funny feelings alot of things with this team is going to change over the next couple of weeks...

[I-10east]

Are you suggesting that our team doesn't blitz?  That our front four are not getting the job done as well as say, Miami or Pittsburgh?  We don't have to be like New York to win! 

All of this negative Nelly talk about Jacksonville, just so typical of metrojacksonville people.  Ya know if you really hate the city that much I-95 is waiting for you. 

*Sigh* Ock with the witty sarcasm.