Are boarding houses really the problem?

[Karl_Pilkington]

Tell me…who’s the boogeyman of Springfield?  From my personal experience, it is not Redwine.

I think that guy you're referring to is now an Ortegro.  From what I've heard and seen he's not in SPR anymore.  No more "boogeyman".  You'll most likely find him lounging at the FYC from now on.

[sheclown]

I believe what prevents a fruitful discussion is that facts and rumors are mixed together. Additionally moral and guilt are brought into play.

Facts:
1) There are a number of legal special use facilities in Springfield which are grandfathered in.
2) No new special use facilities are allowed in Springfield due to the zoning overlay.
3) There are some well managed rentals in Springfield which provide rules and are intended to aid in addiction recovery.
4) There are some rentals in Springfield which rent to pedophiles and ex-convicts.
5) There are a certain number of people in Springfield which present a danger to themselves or others.

Rumor:
Some new facilities have opened up in Springfield which disguise themselves as legal rental units but are in fact illegal new special use facilities (rooming houses/boarding house/halfway houses).

If the rumor is true, then it would not matter how nice the people are living in these places. It would also not matter if each person has 100 SQFT or 300 SQFT. It would still be against the law. It would be fruitful to prove or disprove the rumor with facts rather than focusing the discussion on the people living in these facilities.

Just my 2 cents.

FACT:  someone locked down your post on the SPAR forum.

[fsu813]

no comments about Bill Moats?

hope he's unsuccessfull in his attempts.....

[AlexS]

FACT:  someone locked down your post on the SPAR forum.

It was locked by SPAROffice. No explanation given.

[sheclown]

I believe what prevents a fruitful discussion is that facts and rumors are mixed together. Additionally moral and guilt are brought into play.

I believe what prevents a fruitful discussion...is a locked thread!

http://sparcouncil.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=40935#p40935

[fsu813]

they should provide an explanation when they lock it.

[strider]

Posted by: fsu813  

no comments about Bill Moats?

Actually, Sheclown and I did some research with some folks who used to live at his places and know him.  We did hear that he was going to work on at least one of them so it could be rented out, however, that does not mean he would rent it as a rooming house.  In fact, I suspect, as I haven't seen a license in his name for over two years, he can not re-open as a transient rooming house.  He can certainly just rent it out and until a fact proves otherwise, that's all he can and will be doing.

[strider]

So the SPAR Office locked that thread ... right after a thoughtful post by AlexS ... sort of confirms that they do not want to talk about the real facts, doesn't it?

[cindi]

So the SPAR Office locked that thread ... right after a thoughtful post by AlexS ... sort of confirms that they do not want to talk about the real facts, doesn't it?

When they want your (collectively speaking) opinion, they will give it to you.

[fsu813]

Strider,

i have some addtional information that convinces me otherswise, 2 different sources, same information. He's trying to go the Ju'Coby Pittman-Clara White route.

[strider]

FSU813: i have some addtional information that convinces me otherswise, 2 different sources, same information. He's trying to go the Ju'Coby Pittman-Clara White route.

Then, if the zoning is correct, it is perfectly legal and not a rooming houses, but a low density group care home. To provide the facts otherwise, you need to see what house, what the zoning is and if he actually does intend to do it and to carry through with all the reguirements.  Until then, it is all just rumor.  Which, I believe, was AlexS's point in his post.  JuCoby Pttman's house was properly zoned and was being ungraded for the legal use.  Bill Moates can certainly do the same.

[sheclown]

Say...I have a crazy idea.  Why not ASK HIM?

[sheclown]

Maybe its just as well that they shut it down, with some of the evil, heartless and unintentionally ugly remarks that were made on that thread.

Its hard to have any sympathy for the type of people who write some of those comments.  In fact, you find yourself actively wishing hardship on them.  Who the hell do some of these snotty lower middle class assnobs think they are?

And I see that the same chief instigator is still at work on the thread, making sure people are called no it alls and turned into 'outsiders'.  What a crock of bad meat.

I wonder if they think that 'taking a hard line' makes them appear from a higher class?  I know for a fact that when the shoe is on the other foot, and they have to deal with divorce, foreclosure, or rehab for their loved ones that there is a hell of a lot less discussion.

Pardon me while I check out barf bag.

A few people who posted on this thread actually stated that folks in recovery are a threat to their infant children.  I don't make this stuff up. 

[CS Foltz]

No your problem is SPAR! Have kinda sorta followed this issue for awhile now..........same issue's keep raising their heads. SPAR appears to want anything and everything their was without taking into account just what the people want for their part of the world! Solution is simple.........do not pay SPAR membership fee and when they go down the tubes you reorganize and start with an organization that is responsive to its members. The concept is good, it is an execution issue and SPAR governing body is just too full of themselves!

[sheclown]

I know, sheclown,  Its ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skh6Bp_M_-o