Florida school officials in prayer case could get jail time

[DavidWilliams]

As we all know, our public schools have gotten SO much better over the last few decades since the voluntary prayer ban. 

[Lunican]

Correlation does not equal causation.

[DavidWilliams]

The fact is, most of the people in this country instinctively and factually realize the current clown show over public professions of faith is due to an insidious bastardization of a constitutional principle.  This principle has been distorted in so many ways as to be unrecognizable from the original intent and has allowed a tiny majority to force their intolerance on the public.  I can think of no better situation for civil disobedience and I hope it continues and escalates.

A definition and example of "forced" intolerance, please?

[Ocklawaha]

School is a place of learning.
Public schools are just that, public.

You want your kids to have religion in schools, send them to private schools. You have a right to have religion in your kids lives. I have the right to have my kid learn what I want him to, including any religion.

My tax money will not be spent on preaching any religion.

Jandar, I think your missing the point as to why this is a bad direction for the country to go in. So you want to be the only one that chooses what your child learns of religion? Wow, I feel very sorry for your children, because in YOUR school system, there will be no history.

Incredible stories from kamikaze pilots to that of Vlad the Impaler. Your kids won't have a clue about The Shroud Turin, the Holy Grail, or ever be sent on a scientific mission into the jungles to learn the writings of the Mayan, Inca or Aztecs. Native American Studies would have to be curtailed as a Holy Man, guided his personal village. The Crusades will be removed from the book because the church believed it should occupy the Holy Land in order to rush Christs return. What return? Who is this "Christ Guy?" Don't worry Jandar, your kids will be blissfully ignorant. Advanced mathematics will have to be removed from all schools as they were developed by the followers of Islam, in fact so will design and architecture because of the artful use of both in building the great mosques and shrines of the middle east. Your babies will never know about the Temple Mount, the river Jordan, or the mines of Solomon. Perhaps we can revise the textbooks so there is no confusion over 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, "Tell the Athenians and Jandar that we are coming..." The temples of Diana, goddess of fertility will be wiped out and your kids may never have sex because the the Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana, written some 1,500 years BC, was a religious document. Your unique children that live without history, math, architecture, physics, archeology, sex, faith or charity, will be liberated from all religious material through their lives, they won't be able to track the progress however, as the calender came from the church too.

OCKLAWAHA

[Ocklawaha]

Hey guys, this is Ocks' daughter...again. and i have to disagree with removing religion from schools. it should be offered as an elective, and not just on Christianity, but on ALL religions. being one of the few young ones on this site, and having just graduated High School 4 years ago, i can tell you, FOR SURE. ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE TEACHING ATHIESIM. ONLY atheism. and THIS infuriated me. i don't care about the big bang theory. its a load of crap in my opinion. yeah, sure, maybe there was a big bang, but SOMEBODY had to make it happen. and in my opinion that is GOD. and getting an F in class because i try to explain my stand on the point is absolutely ridiculous. how DARE the schools tell you what you can and cannot believe. how DARE you say we cannot pray? are you saying we HAVE to pay a ridiculous tuition for a private school just because all the free schools should be atheist? absolutely not. religion should be in ALL schools. All religions. All grades. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has a strong belief in my faith, others should have a chance to explain themselves as well.

-Trilby (ocks' daughter)

[Ocklawaha]

silly argument ock.

religion is unprovable, and all the time kids need to spend learning provable facts would be taken up with this nonsense.

let the parents and tax free religious institutions do this.

Yes, it is silly isn't it Stephen? I could be saying a prayer to 7-11 ("thanking heaven") but that would get me busted in school. Would the press still be free if MJ couldn't mention God? Church? Religion? Of course not, but those liberty infringements would bring the American people to the point of open rebellion. Imagine the government telling us that we can't publish anything religious, based on the fact that some people don't want to be FORCED to read those forbidden words. Silly argument maybe, but typical of the nonsense that comes from the far left.

At least I'll PRAISE THE LORD for one thing, Faye, came out and identified herself with those who would forbid God from attending a football game. Good reason to make sure she doesn't get enough votes to attend to our business.


OCKLAWAHA

[Ocklawaha]

there is no atheism course in the curriculum...that's because its in every class, syllabus, and the school "rules". but however, it they mention one "godly" word, its an outrage? please tell me how THAT makes sense? and I'm incredibly curious to how that would make him beat a women to death from the bible?

Ocks' Daughter.

[NotNow]

Every child will be exposed to religion, like it or not.  It is a part of our society.  It is an age old cause of struggle, pain, and glory.  Just like they will be exposed to atheism, illegal drugs, and clothing more appropriate for prostitutes than children.  I am not opposed to the policy of no "official" religion.  However, when our system gets to the point of removing religion from its studies and community, then our system is wrong.  There is room in our schools for all religions, including atheism.  Children should not ignore religion, but should be exposed to the major religions as well as "atheism" and its forms.  A child does not "learn" religion in public school, but they will learn how adults deal with each others values and beliefs.

[NotNow]

Yep, my opinion.  Just as your posts are your opinion.  I'm not sure what you mean by "When athiests are free to hold anti god meetings at christian high schools, then christian demagogues should be allowed to recruit on the public dime."  What "Christian" high schools do you mean?  If you mean private Christian schools, then no, you can't.  Private schools can be religious, and in reference to your references, they can set rules for behavior as well.  As for the "exposure clause", I simply mean that children should be exposed to all views and what they mean.  I know it is a touchy subject, but ignoring it is not the answer.

[jandar]

School is a place of learning.
Public schools are just that, public.

You want your kids to have religion in schools, send them to private schools. You have a right to have religion in your kids lives. I have the right to have my kid learn what I want him to, including any religion.

My tax money will not be spent on preaching any religion.

Jandar, I think your missing the point as to why this is a bad direction for the country to go in. So you want to be the only one that chooses what your child learns of religion? Wow, I feel very sorry for your children, because in YOUR school system, there will be no history.

Incredible stories from kamikaze pilots to that of Vlad the Impaler. Your kids won't have a clue about The Shroud Turin, the Holy Grail, or ever be sent on a scientific mission into the jungles to learn the writings of the Mayan, Inca or Aztecs. Native American Studies would have to be curtailed as a Holy Man, guided his personal village. The Crusades will be removed from the book because the church believed it should occupy the Holy Land in order to rush Christs return. What return? Who is this "Christ Guy?" Don't worry Jandar, your kids will be blissfully ignorant. Advanced mathematics will have to be removed from all schools as they were developed by the followers of Islam, in fact so will design and architecture because of the artful use of both in building the great mosques and shrines of the middle east. Your babies will never know about the Temple Mount, the river Jordan, or the mines of Solomon. Perhaps we can revise the textbooks so there is no confusion over 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, "Tell the Athenians and Jandar that we are coming..." The temples of Diana, goddess of fertility will be wiped out and your kids may never have sex because the the Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana, written some 1,500 years BC, was a religious document. Your unique children that live without history, math, architecture, physics, archeology, sex, faith or charity, will be liberated from all religious material through their lives, they won't be able to track the progress however, as the calender came from the church too.

OCKLAWAHA

Teaching of religion is ok, teaching religion is not.


Prove to me God exists. Faith is not proof.

Im willing to stick to my claims about God being an arrogant drunkard that pissed on a water planet and sparked life.

On a serious note, I've seen way too many things to make me question the things I was taught about there being a god. I will give my son a basis in religion and allow him to make his own choice.

I will teach my son to not just rely on what others have taught him, but what he learns on his own as well.

[Ocklawaha]

On a serious note, I've seen way too many things to make me question the things I was taught about there being a god. I will give my son a basis in religion and allow him to make his own choice.

"God being an arrogant drunkard that pissed on a water planet and sparked life" Sounds like he'll get a real balanced and level headed view, one that will allow him an educated opinion.

I will teach my son to not just rely on what others have taught him, but what he learns on his own as well.

This is truth, I feel the same way, next time you visit the rattle snake demonstration at Silver Springs, go on and stick your hand in the cage. You might even be able to prove that he means us no harm. hee hee!

Who else can I piss off tonight?

OCKLAWAHA

[jandar]

On a serious note, I've seen way too many things to make me question the things I was taught about there being a god. I will give my son a basis in religion and allow him to make his own choice.

"God being an arrogant drunkard that pissed on a water planet and sparked life" Sounds like he'll get a real balanced and level headed view, one that will allow him an educated opinion.

I will teach my son to not just rely on what others have taught him, but what he learns on his own as well.

This is truth, I feel the same way, next time you visit the rattle snake demonstration at Silver Springs, go on and stick your hand in the cage. You might even be able to prove that he means us no harm. hee hee!

Who else can I piss off tonight?

OCKLAWAHA

My son will get a much more balanced view of life then he would in a christian school, and if he was strictly raised by religious parents. Unlike most hardcore religious people of any faith, I can grant people the right to practice their faith while I practice my science.

Christ's Mass as the birth of Jesus on December 25th? Not so likely. Shepherds didn't tend their flock of sheep (as is mentioned in the bible) in the middle of the night in December. Pope Julius I declared that Jesus's birth be celebrated on Dec 25th to help convert the millions of pagans who had roots worhiping pagan holidays during that time.

Same with Easter. You might want to learn the history of Greeks worshipping Attis.

Hell, most religious observances are based on another religion's rites. It was an easy way to control the conquered people by saying "Hey, see our gods are really your gods with different names".

I have handled live rattlesnakes, same with moccasins and just about every other kind of Florida native snake.
If I were to stick my hand in a box full of snakes, I know that there is a huge chance that I would get bit, but if I made the snakes cold, I could get away with it due to my knowledge of science.

And people wonder why non or even just slightly religious people get pissed at Christians, Muslims, or any other faith trying to shove their fallacies down our throats.

[BridgeTroll]

trying to shove their fallacies down our throats.

Nobody "shoved" anything.

[jandar]

Well Ock, I think your post kind of proves Jandar's point.

you obviously think you know how to raise Jandar's children better than he can, and that his religious instruction will not be up to your christian standards.

This is why I don't want zorn having to deal with this bs.

OMG, I'm agreeing with Stephen on this one.

Crap!

[FayeforCure]

So FAYE? Does this mean if your elected we can sleep tight knowing for certain you won't endorse a Justice that is pro-prayer? pro-Christian? or pro-life?

In direct correlation with the removal of the Bible and Prayer from school, the level of crimes, murders, robbery's, violence, arson, gang membership, has risen concurrently.

I am loathe to respond, since your posts are generally over-the-top,...........including pictorials and such 

But if there is any correlations to be made, it most likely is reversed to what you are saying:

You can believe in God and not religion. Also, I haven't a clue what the religious mean when they talk about a breakdown in morals. Morality is subjective. However, if we want to use a concrete term crime, specifically violent crime; there is a direct correlation between crime and religion. The more religious an area, the more violence. This is just crime and violence in general. Or course, there is specifically religious violence. Countries that are very low in religious belief are also very low in violence. The best examples are the Scandinavian countries. I live in the Pacific Northwest, undoubtedly the least religious area of the United States; also the area with the least violent crimes. Contrast that with the bible belt. It almost defies reason that areas with high worship attendance would also be areas of high crime, but statistics say otherwise.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-silent-minority_b_173354.html

And while we are at it,......the bible belt is also higher in divorce rates and abortions.

Now a lot of that could be due to higher poverty rates, but it just goes to show that being religious is no guarantee of morality. In turn it is wrong to assume that non-religious folks don't know right from wrong,......or that they don't have morals.