Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month. Torture Issue Blows Up.

[BridgeTroll]

how can you see where it allows torture despite its clarity?

Probably the same place where it says you can send Americans to internment camps because they are Japanese.

[BridgeTroll]

I seem to remember an apology of some sort... Was there a prosecution of anyone? Even an Attorny general or congressional law clerk?  It seems some pound of flesh should have been taken... as that is exactly what you are advocating.

[Lunican]

During his Fox interview, Cheney repeated his defense of the effectiveness of what are called enhanced interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding.

It's strange that Cheney is touting the effectiveness of torture. The effectiveness has absolutely nothing to do with the legality.

Murdering a key witness that is about to testify against you is very effective at silencing them, but that does not change the legality of the situation.

[buckethead]

What if it turned out that you life, specifically was spared due to sheek hoozyamama being waterboarded?

Still bad?


I know... you'd be against it because your such an honorable person.

[Lunican]

It would still be illegal I suppose.

[Sportmotor]

Im game for waterboarding

[Sportmotor]

What if the only way to get pizza hut guy to tell you the truth was to perform unnatural sex acts with a lima bean and two (male)camels?

I bet you'd think kinky camel/lima bean sex was alright then, wouldnt you?

Could I video tape this? 

[Sportmotor]

The real issue about torture is very clouded.

What makes this issue sticky is, it depends from situation to situation on if it should be used or not. If your in the situation and know or think it can make a big difference or not.

To me this issue is kinda like a bureaucrat scrutinising combat decisions. Decisions made in real time arnt always pretty, but are typically made with the best intentions.
A split second to make a decision to do something, with a lifetime to sit back and tear it appart it after its been done.


Problem is people want a pretty war, and for both sides to play fair. There Is No Such Thing.

[Sportmotor]

I dissagree, you can use torture that takes much less time.
BUT, Typically those arnt NATO friendly.


The rules of war even on our side goes out the door when there isnt a F-ing reporter around.
And as horrible as things can get, and they can I have some storys, things get done.
War is legal murder.

"HEY that guy is wearing something close enough to a specific outfit I get to shoot him!"
In a very twisted way its kinda war of fashion (my humor)

The moment war can be waged with no loss of life on either side I will be for the ban of torture, untill then let it rain present. Like I said I got some storys of it helping our troops over in the sandbox.


There will always BE torture even from our side tho. Its just going to be done in more intresting ways to not get caught.

[Sportmotor]

Well you can also silence your neighbors with a shotgun when they get lippy.

In fact, we could just avoid the whole thing altogether sports by just dropping nukes.

The issue isnt what you could do, because we could do literally anything... but what is legal to do.

Im not found of my neighbors anyway, well the ones to the right of me. I'll give you there address and let you handle that.
Isnt this war kinda already illegal anyway? Why stop there. Besides if beating one terrorist with a brick to the gibblets saves a friend of mine's life. Im for it.

[Sportmotor]

hopefully, if your parents or family are ever held prisoner, the other guy won't think that.

If that happens I'll find and skin them alive on there own TV station. I am all about making an example to scare away others.

[Sportmotor]

won't bring your parents back though.

And that mentality is called jihad, incidentally.

In all reality if one's loved ones are taken, the likely hood of there safe return is increidbly low.
and jihad is "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society" Not making a horrific example to ward off others.

Back to the subject matter. WHY dont you agree with tortue?

[buckethead]

What if there were three million green hobgoblins, but they were all secretly miniaturized into a Klondike Bar? 

And say, there was a guy at pizza hut who was a socialist that knew when the green hobgoblins were going to  erupt in the frozen foods aisle.....

and Say, your mom called to say she was on her way to the store for a klondike bar!!!!

What if the only way to get pizza hut guy to tell you the truth was to perform unnatural sex acts with a lima bean and two (male)camels?

I bet you'd think kinky camel/lima bean sex was alright then, wouldnt you?

I suppose the whole camel/lima bean sex thing could net me a few dollars from the intewebs.

I think the parallel I made was a bit more in line with what the Bush administration is claiming as a justification for actions taken.

Personally, I would feel quite content with a terrorist being beheaded, tortured maimed or forced to watch Will and Grace reruns fo life.

The problem: Who is deeming who as a terrorist?

Again, the "torture" in question falls a bit short of such heinous acts. I'm not sure that I'm all up in arms over waterboaring terror suspects/un-uniformed enemy combatants, although I'm certain I don't wan't to be waterboarded.

[buckethead]

won't bring your parents back though.

And that mentality is called jihad, incidentally.

The justification asserted, is that the parents were spared death by terrorists.

[Sportmotor]

*poke* back on teh subject matter

They WILL torture and behead our troops. Why are you against somethign that is just mental?

Two wrongs dont make a right but when it does save lives and used properly, the prisoner is still living. Rather then what alot of troops are doing now, since alot of the prisoners wont be touched and will get a trial, I know for a fact alot of troops switched to just outright killing the wounded and letting them die rather then taking them in.

Whats a lesser of two evils?