Man killed in Springfield bar

[Karl_Pilkington]

I can only hope this is the case.  Now I'm trying to figure out which one of those guys is packing heat!

[hooplady]

And why are they always on Monday night?  Don't any of these criminals know that a tiny place like this has about $3 in the till on Monday???

[Deuce]

same ole Springfield

I hate this mentality. I'm sorry someone dies unless they were a crim. No pity for those who prey in this world, be it someone who tries to rob a store or the multi-billionaire who runs a ponzi scheme.

The questions I ask is what led to this happening and how can it be stopped. Do we need more regular police patrols by Shanty? Better street lighting? Tougher prison sentences? You know, the same ole questions.

[904Scars]

I know who it was but I will keep that under my belt as he is a friend. Justifiable? Hardly... it's hard for anyone to have reason to carry a weapon in a bar, wether you are working behind it or not. Yes, there have been other incidents but that still doesn't allow him to carry behind the bar (unless your the owner, which is not the case). Or unless the owner has given them written and signed consent to carry on the job. This unfortunately may not turn out good for him. Which sucks because in the end he was only protecting himself and his patrons.

[flutterby3]

...apparently, whoever tried to rob the place didn't get the word that Springfielders fight back.  Even with all that has happened, I still view it as

Shantytown 2
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However, it is still someone's brother/friend/son who is dead because he made a terrible decision.  For that I am sorry.

I have to agree with this.  I hope MetroJaxers are correct and it was a criminal that was shot and not one of the patrons.  It worries me that this keeps happening at a place that I love to frequent....but I believe that if the bar is that out to protect it's people that it is a place I will continue to return.  Still, I am sorry that someone had to die, but in this day and age anyone can have a gun...I notice more and more of my friends have concealed weapon permits and carry.  Heck even my little old man of a father is packin heat when he leaves the house. 

[thekillingwax]

So if he hadn't been armed, this would've all turned out for the better? We don't know the full scenario yet but let's just say it was an attempted robbery, at best this would've been another case of "this is why we can't have nice things in Springfield", at worst someone else would've been shot. Yeah, patrons carrying may not be the wisest thing but unless the bartender is drunk as well (could be the case but I'd say a drunk bartender isn't good for business), I don't see the problem with him protecting himself and the patrons.

And if this does turn out to be a thwarted robbery? Good for him. Dust enough of the human filth around here and they'll start getting scared of us.

[stephElf]

sad to hear about all this... 

[heights unknown]

Back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's, when Springfield possessed the crux of whores, drug addicts, prostitutes, drug dealers, convicts, etc., I don't think situations happened to this extent and like this.  Hot time in the old town that night.  

I guess Springfield still has some dirtbags either living or hanging out in the area and think they can prey on the new establishments that are trying to change Springfield's image.......NOT!!!!!!!

I'd also like to think that Springfield has changed, and it appears it has, but obviously regardless of the appearance that Springfield has changed, some things always remain the same.  Maybe the demonic spirits from Springfield's past (as aforementioned) still lurks in that neighborhood.

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[904Scars]

So if he hadn't been armed, this would've all turned out for the better? We don't know the full scenario yet but let's just say it was an attempted robbery, at best this would've been another case of "this is why we can't have nice things in Springfield", at worst someone else would've been shot. Yeah, patrons carrying may not be the wisest thing but unless the bartender is drunk as well (could be the case but I'd say a drunk bartender isn't good for business), I don't see the problem with him protecting himself and the patrons.

And if this does turn out to be a thwarted robbery? Good for him. Dust enough of the human filth around here and they'll start getting scared of us.

No don't get me wrong I know the bar tender personally. I completely agree with him/her being able to carry but that's not for me to decide and it's a whole other discussion. It is a shame that he/she has to carry in the first place. I give him/her all the best wishes I can, as I know all he was doing was protecting himself and his patrons. As far as him/her being drunk, I can say he/she was NOT without a doubt. But still... the law is the law and it doesn't look promising for him/her which is a shame.

[BridgeTroll]

More info... see last post.

http://www.sparcouncil.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4866

[hooplady]

We know exactly what happened the last time the victim wasn't armed.  Not crazy about the outcome, but he's alive and the perps are in jail for a very long time.

[904Scars]

Are you sure about the employee thing? I know the owner can, but just a regular employee can carry? Im not sure thats why I'm asking?

[Karl_Pilkington]

yes Florida's self defense law is very broad and if this POS came in waving a gun the threat was obvious and immediate.  Case closed..

[Lunican]

This might be relevant:

On April 15, 2008, Florida Governor Charlie Crist signed into law Florida Statute §790.251 over the objections of several business associations and companies. While the bill is formally titled "The Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008," pundits have dubbed the legislation the "Take Your Gun to Work" law. The new law, already the subject of a federal lawsuit, could potentially alter the workplace for any company with Florida facilities and operations.

The substance of the new law prohibits a business or employer from precluding employees (including independent contractors), customers and other invitees from bringing concealed firearms onto business property, such as a parking lot, providing the bearer has a valid permit for the weapon and the firearm is stored out of sight.

http://www.thompsonhine.com/publications/publication1429.html

[904Scars]

UPDATE: Heard this from John @ Shanty himself... ruled self defense. The employee is a bit shaken (totally understandable) but is ok.