Bus Shelter Advertising Debate headed to City Council

[Dog Walker]

Good grief, Ock!  I'd be afraid to approach that thing up there!  Rather than art, what our bus shelters need are solar powered fans in them.  If they cut off the rain, then they cut off the breeze too.

[Ocklawaha]

New Design, Slovakia

Good grief, Ock!  I'd be afraid to approach that thing up there!  Rather than art, what our bus shelters need are solar powered fans in them.  If they cut off the rain, then they cut off the breeze too.

New Rural Design, Northwest England

Yeah man! I know this one is radical to the max, it's just another way to get it funded...for free. Add other modern art, period art, deco era, Nouveau art etc... and we also get lots of attractions with the urban sculptures. Most international first tier cities are full of sidewalk art. We lag far behind and probably over 75% of our city doesn't even have sidewalks or streetlights. At least if the Martins ever attack us in the dead of night, we'll be ignored. I'm certain that flying they're saucer's down from Mars, they'll want to knock out only the larger appearing communities. You know, like Green Cove Springs, Lulu, Two Egg, etc.

BTW, I agree with the fan idea, I'm also in support of LIGHTER colors and a wall panel in front to keep people out of the pouring rain. Butterfly roofs rather then typical arched, flat, or other designer shapes. Bus pullout lanes, with handicap access to and from the shelter which will tie them to the nearest completed sidewalk or store entry's. So in the event that JTA sees this, here is a bus shelter needs assessment:


Asheville NC

Bus Pullout lanes
Pavement marking for bus stop
LED illuminated pavement reflectors, to warn other drivers of the bus movements and intentions.
Real time information scroll, limited to the larger and/or connection shelters. Another ad space. Countdown clock scroll.
Butterfly roof's whereever possible that could overhang above the bus.
Posted system map and route schedules.
Next Bus technology, just check your cell phone.
Solar power cells on the roof.
White or reflective light color on the roof.
Tinted glass or lexan panels
corner ventilation fans - Solar Powered
#311 bus/train/Skyway/streetcar/water taxi/Cab access
Single panel in front of shelter (entry on each side) to protect passengers from blowing rain
Paved pad that extends all the way to the street and connects with sidewalk or storefront
Attached matching trash receptacle.
Camera security tapes


Smile, your on Camera


Landshut, Germany

Anyone else? Jump on in!


OCK Purple? Mood lit bus shelters by Virgin America Airlines, San Francisco

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[TheProfessor]

I know Clay Yarborough is against sponsored bus shelters.  I could not convince him otherwise.  I am all for more creative bus shelters.

[thelakelander]

Does Clay have an alternative solution to fund mass transit improvements or does he just not care?

[tufsu1]

Come on Lake...why should a good religious man care about those less fortunate :-)

[thelakelander]

big difference:

most of jax's bus stops aren't in large, urban areas like most of the one's shown in the pics. so they'll stand out much, much more.

Here are a few images of these bus shelters in the suburbs and parks.  Also, I add one of an existing bus shelter in Jacksonville.  Which one looks more appealing and maintained (Public or Private with ads)?







Back in Jacksonville





The shelters and benches shown in the top four images don't cost the taxpayer a thing.  We have to pay for what's shown in the last image....and we can't afford them!

[TheProfessor]

All Clay Yarborough cares about is "protecting family values".  He forgets that not everyone is married with children and that this status quo in his head is not the future.

[Charles Hunter]

I don't remember if it's been said here, but I've heard that there won't be any advertising shelters in residential areas - just in commercial zones.  

Bill Brinton and John Crescembeni are the leading opposition to ad shelters - they were behind the referendum that got the sign restrictions written into the Charter.  They really do fear the "camels nose under the tent" (good phrase, stephen!).  I would guess that, despite the ruling in California, one or more billboard companies here would file suit as soon as the first ad shelter went up.  Legal fees - who pays?

I don't understand Clay's opposition, unless he's listening to Crescembini.

[thelakelander]

Is there no other municipality in the United States with a similar sign restriction that has faced this situation?

I can understand the "camel's nose under the tent" issue, but I would at least like these guys to present a viable alternative solution along with their opposition.  The status quo sucks and keeping it is a misjustice to the entire city and it's fiscal future.

[zoo]

Shelters, yes. Advertising, yes. COJ still hasn't figured out that if it wants public-private partnerships, the private part of it has to get something in return -- revenue or marketing value. The charity kick isn't reality.

Chuckled at the image of the shelter in Toronto with what looked like a Calvin Klein ad on it (dude bare but for underwear) -- I didn't see any of the pedestrian's around it going up in flames on their way to damnation for being exposed to it.

"On a somewhat related note, I just read in the latest issue of Planning magazine that the transit agency in Pheonix (Valley Metro) is looking into the possibility of selling naming rights to light-rail stations and, potentially, even the system itself.  It also mentions that in Cleveland, two hospitals agreed to pay $6.25 million over 20 years for the right to call one of the city's BRT lines the "HealthLine".  It seems to me that this sort of practice is becoming common all over the place and I think we should get on board."

This is also a great idea, and one that would work for Springfield's faux trolley line. Innovative thinking seems to have taken leave of Jax's govt and major corporations.

[Deuce]

If the only thing that a person can come up with for being against bus shelters is "protecting family values" then they don't have a leg to stand on. I'm sure JTA already has a policy that states what's allowed in advertising on their buses and I'm sure the same will apply to the shelters. I have been in a lot of major cities and I've never seen advertising in a public space that somehow violated family values. I've seen Hooters ads on buses here and I've not heard any complaints. With giant billboards for Dick's Wings and Insurrection around town, what do they think is going to be advertised on these shelters, Hustler magazine.

[BridgeTroll]

  I just had to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel's_nose

Camel's nose
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The camel's nose is a metaphor for a situation where permitting some small undesirable situation will allow gradual and unavoidable worsening. A typical usage is this, from U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in 1958:

This bill and the foregoing remarks of the majority remind me of an old Arabian proverb: "If the camel once gets his nose in the tent, his body will soon follow." If adopted, the legislation will mark the inception of aid, supervision, and ultimately control of education in this country by the federal authorities.[1]
According to Geoffrey Nunberg, the image entered the English language in the middle of the 19th century.[2] An early example is a fable printed in 1858 in which an Arab miller allows a camel to stick its nose into his bedroom, then other parts of its body, until the camel is entirely inside and refuses to leave.[3] Lydia Sigourney wrote another version, a widely reprinted poem for children, in which the camel enters a shop because the workman does not forbid it at any stage.[4]

The 1858 example above says, "The Arabs repeat a fable," and Sigourney says in a footnote, "To illustrate the danger of the first approach of evil habit, the Arabs have a proverb, "Beware of the camel's nose". However, Nunberg could not find an Arab source for the saying and suspected it was a Victorian invention.[2]

An early citation with a tent is "The camel in the Arabian tale begged and received permission to insert his nose into the desert tent."[5] By 1878, the expression was familiar enough that part of the story could be left unstated. "It is the humble petition of the camel, who only asks that he may put his nose into the traveler's tent. It is so pitiful, so modest, that we must needs relent and grant it."[6]

In a 1915 book of fables by Horace Scudder, the story, titled The Arab and His Camel, ends with the moral: "It is a wise rule to resist the beginnings of evil."[7]

There are a number of other metaphors and expressions which refer to small changes leading to chains of events with undesirable or unexpected consequences, differing in nuances.

Foot in the door - a persuasion technique
Slippery slope - an argument, sometimes fallacious
"The thin end of the wedge"'
Domino effect
For Want of a Nail (proverb) - the claim that large consequences may follow from inattention to small details
Boiling frog
"Give them an inch; they'll take a mile"[8] The original saying goes "Give them an inch, and they'll take an ell".
In Chinese culture, the "inch-mile" saying corresponds to the expression 得陇望蜀 (De Long Wang Shu), which is a quotation from the Book of Later Han about a Chinese general who took over Long (now Gansu) only to pursue further southwards into Shu (now Sichuan).[9]
For comparison, positive consequences may start from small acts, and there is a similar set of sayings like Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching:[citation needed] "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" (or "A journey of a thousand li begins with a single step").

Relating this sentiment in idiom to scientific observation, the notion that large-scale phenomena may be affected by tiny initial incidents is the essence of chaos theory. However, in all the examples above, the result of the tiny initial incident is supposed to be predictable, unlike in chaos theory.

[5PointsGuy]

How about we get some companies to sponsor these ... http://dvice.com/archives/2009/06/san-fransiscos.php



San Francisco's solar powered bus stops spread Wi-Fi all over

Why does a bus stop need to be solar powered, you ask? To power its LED lighting, intercom system and even a wireless router â€" at least, that's how it is with these swanky new bus stops being installed in San Fransisco. The stop you see up above is the first of the 1,100 wavy-topped, solar-powered bus stops the city wants to roll out by 2013.

For anyone who relies on public transportation, that dedicated, low power lighting sounds great during a late night commute. For everyone else, a city-wide blanket of Wi-Fi is just awesome. The stops also give whatever energy they don't use back to the grid, and are built using mostly recycled materials. Check out more of them in the gallery down below.

[tufsu1]

that would be the problem 5PointsGuy...the City won't allow outdoor advertising...which takes away the incentive for a company to sponsor and/or install the shelters 

[Ocklawaha]

Let our friends at the City Council upgrade our lives with BUS SHELTERS. Check out what San Francisco has cooked up for their advertiser paid shelters:

Catch the Wave
San Francisco debuts solar-powered bus shelter design

While many cities have been working to green their public transportation systems, rolling out hybrid buses, electric-vehicle fleets, and the like, San Francisco is one of the first to tackle that humdrum piece of transit street furniture: the bus shelter.

Mayor Gavin Newsom has cut the ribbon on the first of 1,200 new bus shelters the city plans to install over the next five years, and a third of them will be powered by solar arrays mounted on distinctive, wavelike canopies. The transparent, LED-lit unit, by local architecture firm Lundberg Design, was the winning entry in the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency’s design competition for the shelters, which drew 35 submissions.

Taking its cue from the shape of seismic shock waves, the canopy is made of recycled, 40 percent post-industrial polycarbonate, with a ribbon of solar cells running down its center. The photovoltaic (PV) material supplies power to a LED arrival-time display and to a push-button loudspeaker for visually impaired riders, with extra power being fed back into the grid. The architects were charged with designing a structure in three different sizes to suit a range of neighborhoods and inclines, so the 70 percent reclaimed steel frame uses a bolted assembly that references the city’s bridges and can expand from two panels to four. Convex bench seats shed debris and moisture, while also discouraging patrons from recliningâ€"perhaps while using the shelter’s handy, integrated WiFi.

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As the remaining units are rolled out over the coming years, the city and project sponsor Clear Channelâ€"which is funding the fabrication of the new shelters in return for a share of the advertising revenue over the next 15 yearsâ€"expect them to become not only a symbol of San Francisco’s sustainable future, but also a model for public transit systems across the country. And at $25,000 to $30,000 each, they’re also a model of what the right sponsor can do for a city’s image.

Jennifer Krichels

Sometimes it's just better to try and compete with Middleburg, Yulee, Lulu and Two Egg... If we can't run with the big dogs, we should perhaps stay on the porch.

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