The BP at 8th & Liberty . . . . "Rooms for Rent"

downtownparks · February 25, 2009, 04:46:30 PM

How exactly has anyone attacked the business owner? By asking him to not carry drug paraphernalia? HOW DARE WE!

downtownparks · February 25, 2009, 04:52:08 PM

The construction and pawnshops are my fault?

Ocklawaha · February 25, 2009, 05:04:51 PM

Quote from: downtownparks on February 25, 2009, 04:46:30 PM
How exactly has anyone attacked the business owner? By asking him to not carry drug paraphernalia? HOW DARE WE!

But this response is a bottomless pit that will end in self defeat. Witness the drinking straws at any restaurant in town... Spoons? Got to get them out too....Bowls? Saucers? Glass Ware? Nope damned dope crushers blow man! You see it's just like the NRA says:

When "Straws" are controlled
only Junkies will have "Straws".

OCKLAWAHA

jason_contentdg · February 25, 2009, 05:11:39 PM

Is it really this hard to wrap your minds around this? Does walmart or walgreens have known items related to drug use grouped at each check out counter? This whole thread makes me think Mike Judge got it right in Idiocracy.

Sigma · February 25, 2009, 05:14:16 PM

Stephen, it's not "attacking" business owners to expect a higher level of service in an area of which you live. Inspect what you expect.

Strider was absolutely correct about the commercial development. When commercial developers look at the Springfield core, the economics fit. But when a market researcher widens the radius to include a larger population to support a business, the economics are terrible.

Developers/retailers are looking and watching Springfield. Unfortunately. some local developers are born and raised in JAX and have a stigma about Springfield. When they drive through, they still see a lot of the same street traffic (and the business that support it) and it just reinforces what they already believe.

It's definitely a "catch 22" though. There's nothing wrong in raising the standards of business conduct in a community, because as those standards are increased, some more reputable businesses (than liquor and pawn) want to be here.

It seems everyone posting here has some good points, but this problem does not have an easy solution.

downtownparks · February 25, 2009, 05:28:32 PM

Quote from: stephendare on February 25, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
looks great bro! Keep it up!

Ill forward the demand to walmart and walgreens which btw, carry the same stuff. Unlike the BP, as already mentioned by a poster who actually went there.

Another classic Dare move. Completely distract from the point with mindless quibbling.

I was in there yesterday, the razors and rolling papers are still next to the lighters, which are all prominently displayed next to the register. However, the pipes have been taken down, so the main complaint of multiple people in the community has been addressed. This, last I checked, is whats called working with the owner.

However, we can keep droning on and throwing barbs at each other, as thats whats really productive.

thelakelander · February 25, 2009, 05:43:11 PM

Quote from: Sigma on February 25, 2009, 05:14:16 PM
Strider was absolutely correct about the commercial development. When commercial developers look at the Springfield core, the economics fit. But when a market researcher widens the radius to include a larger population to support a business, the economics are terrible.

Developers/retailers are looking and watching Springfield. Unfortunately. some local developers are born and raised in JAX and have a stigma about Springfield. When they drive through, they still see a lot of the same street traffic (and the business that support it) and it just reinforces what they already believe.

In most revitalizing urban districts, developers are the last to join in on the fun. Springfield's commercial fortunes will rest on its ability to attract urban pioneers, startups and small local businesses. I think this is where the greatest fight in enhancing the commerical corridors need to focus on. Luckily for us all, nothing is new under the sun. There are good and bad examples out there to follow. We just need to select a route and stick to it.

downtownparks · February 25, 2009, 05:44:53 PM

Who exactly am I bullying? There is one bully on this forum. Any guesses who that is?

Make all the accusations you want but you know for a hard cold fact, as does anyone who knows me, that I support every single business you mentioned, (except the blue market, which I have never heard of) including yours and the Epicurean when they were open. You have a personal beef with me over some perceived injustice, that simply does not equal bullying.

Asking a business to be a good neighbor, and "bullying" them are not the same thing, and if you cant see that then you are the one with the problem not the people who actually own houses and are raising family's here.

thelakelander · February 25, 2009, 05:51:29 PM

It would be great to keep this thread on track.

What and where is the Blue Market?

downtownparks · February 25, 2009, 05:54:06 PM

Thank God almighty. Its about time you leave me the hell alone.

As alway you have a real penchant for spinning though. You have time and again bashed me on here, only to say "its not all about me". Sweet freaking irony. The man who seems to think he is the center of the effing universe, accusing someone else of narcissism?

urbanlibertarian · February 25, 2009, 05:54:25 PM

Fatcat wrote "Legalize vice and balance the budget!"

I second the motion.

fsu813 · February 25, 2009, 05:54:51 PM

i think we should settle this the old fahsioned way: baby oil diaper wrestling.

downtownparks · February 25, 2009, 05:55:35 PM

Hell, I third it. Legalization goes a long way to take the crime and blight out of the equation.

Springfielder · February 25, 2009, 05:56:31 PM

Quote from: urbanlibertarian on February 25, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
Fatcat wrote "Legalize vice and balance the budget!"

I second the motion.

I like that idea too

Ocklawaha · February 25, 2009, 06:53:29 PM

Always extreme...

Wal-Mart? Walgreens? NO!

Did you know that a fire log can be used with a flint and a handfull of dry moss to start a fire? Great for cooking your stash.

Do they sell firelogs there?

Walgreens has Tee Shirts, Jeeze folks have you ever heard of strainers? What better way to clean up your brew then a good old 100% cotton import from India (home of the Hookah)

Rooms for rent won't work either, with a room I could hide a complete still, and make a buck on the side selling my friends by the hour.

So we finally get to the very bottom.

From this point on:

All fires are hearby banned.

All clothing is absolutely banned.

And nobody but nobody can live in a room in Springfield.

Leaving us a cold, barren, naked landscape!

OH I KNOW! I KNOW!

Cold + barren + naked? Must be SPRINGFIELD in Jacksonville.

Quote"This will mellow you out, man.
What is this, man?
Just take them.
Hey, don't take those, man.
What?
I almost gave you the wrong shit, man.
I already took them, man.
Ho ho ho ho!
What do you mean ho ho ho ho?
Wow, man!
What was that shit, man?
You just ate the most acid
I've ever seen anybody eat in my life.
I never had no acid before, man.
I hope you're not busy for about a month."

Excerpts from Cheech and Chongs Screenplay "Up In Smoke"
(A survivors guide to Springfield)

OCKLAWAHA