Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

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Charleston native

#600
January 12, 2009, 03:00:16 AM Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 03:08:15 AM by Charleston native
Gator, what is amazing is that you among many others don't even contemplate the idea that while it may have been bad, it could get much worse (more than likely), especially if the replacement is more left than Bush.

As far as my questions about ICESAT's measurements, it is rather telling that you seem to have complete omniscience with how the satellite measures thickness through lasers, but can't even provide a summary of the "meat and potatoes" on how the satellite derives its measurements. I'm thinking from a physics perspective; material like ice reflects light, so how is a laser going to penetrate the depths of a highly reflective object like ice? The laser would have to penetrate completely through the ice into the sea water to get a exact measurement, which is impossible to do unless the laser is powerful enough to actually burn through.

I highly doubt that NASA uses a laser with that much power and frequency.

BridgeTroll

#601
January 12, 2009, 06:51:53 AM
Here is a link describing the many methods of measurement and the many different things ICESAT measures.  Your answer lies within the link... :)
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

tufsu1

#602
January 12, 2009, 07:48:44 AM
well there are many in the Global Warming community that believe the end result will be an ice age....like in the movie The Day After Tomorrow....these are not necessarily contradictory viewpoints.

civil42806

#603
January 12, 2009, 08:53:02 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 12, 2009, 07:48:44 AM
well there are many in the Global Warming community that believe the end result will be an ice age....like in the movie The Day After Tomorrow....these are not necessarily contradictory viewpoints.

Excellent point!!!! Not only will we all drown and sweat to death, we will also freeze to death I'd say that covers all bases.  No matter what happens its all due to global warming!! ::)

BridgeTroll

#604
January 12, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
Man made global warming... :o
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Charleston native

#605
January 12, 2009, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 12, 2009, 06:51:53 AM
Here is a link describing the many methods of measurement and the many different things ICESAT measures.  Your answer lies within the link... :)
Um.....

I don't see it.

Charleston native

#606
January 12, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
Tufsu1 just demonstrated the absurdity of Climate Changers that I've been telling many of you on this forum. They are so deluded with their beliefs, that they actually think movies like The Day After Tomorrow provide an accurate prognostication of the future climate of earth...all because of man driving his car and burning coal.

This mentality is not unbelievable anymore, it's simply amazing. Perplexingly amazing.

tufsu1

#607
January 12, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
I never said that the The Day After Tomorrow was completely accurate....while it is clearly dramatized, there is a popular theory that Global Warming will cause larger and more frequent storms....which could clearly usher in major climate changes...like an ice age.

I know you all doubt this stuff, but it would be helpful if you knew a little something about cause and effect!

civil42806

#608
January 12, 2009, 11:54:00 AM Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 11:58:24 AM by civil42806
"I never said that the The Day After Tomorrow was completely accurate."  Then please espouse what part were accurate and what weren't!!  Is it trully dramatized!!!  Gosh I thought is was a documentary!!

BridgeTroll

#609
January 12, 2009, 11:56:29 AM
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#610
January 12, 2009, 12:02:28 PM
QuoteIncompetent government has been an article of faith for the neo conservatives for a generation.

Really??  While I do not agree I understand your comment in regards to W's administration... but I do not see how it applies to Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I.  I also look forward past 20 January... but remember Gatorback... we are still left with a congress whose rating is under 18%.

Meanwhile... back at the ice cap... :)
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

gatorback

#611
January 12, 2009, 12:49:48 PM
Apparently, according so some posts, we don't have data to support whether the ice cap is thickening or thinning so the point is moot. j/k. I don't agree with that, but, I found that we  should have more data at the end of year. 
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

gatorback

#612
January 12, 2009, 01:11:05 PM Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 01:12:40 PM by gatorback
PS I was going to post the very link but I didn't see the "technical" how... . Ha.
I did found on the wiki how it works.  Basically, the system uses light theory.  There is a phase shift, in the reflection that determines the thickness.  So there you go. 

PSS I'm not going into light theory.

Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 12, 2009, 11:56:29 AM
sorry man... :)

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0920icesatfirst.html

'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

jandar

#613
January 12, 2009, 02:30:20 PM
So you trust that the light theory measurements in 1979 were more accurate than now.
Or did they use another measurement tool?

tufsu1

#614
January 12, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
Try this...

"How can global warming cause cold weather? Without the thermohaline circulation, not as much heat would be transported from the tropics to the North Atlantic region. We don’t know how much of this cooling would be balanced by the simultaneous warming in the atmosphere. While it is possible there would be cooling in the North Atlantic region, it is considered more likely that it would continue to warm, but more slowly than the rest of the world."

http://www.pewclimate.org/dayaftertomorrow.cfm

or

"Like much science fiction, The Day After Tomorrowâ,,¢ is based on some solid scientific fact."

http://www.wunderground.com/education/thedayafter.asp

any other questions?
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