Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

[Lunican]

That chart shows warming.

[Charleston native]

Now I know you are joking, right?

Or have you forgotten how to read graphs which should have been taught to you in middle school?

[Lunican]

Please plot the mean on that graph and tell me if the left side or right side is higher.

[downtownparks]

If you average from 1998, we are cooling, if you average from 1979, we are back to almost even after a decade long warming period that appears to be quite an anomalous spike starting in 1998.

Was there unusual solar activity that year, or the 9 years afterwards?

[Lunican]

I don't think the chart is fraudulent (maybe it is I don't know) but claiming there is no warming while your supporting evidence shows the opposite is just bizarre behavior. This would amount to a loss in a court of law.

[Charleston native]

Good night, did you not just read DTP's post?

The chart is not fraudulent, but thanks for making spurious, unsubstantiated claims, though.

[RiversideGator]

That chart shows warming.

And then the recent cooling.

[RiversideGator]

Leave it to River to produce fraudulent charts.

Awesome as always.

The chart is not fraudulent.  You may be another story though.   

[downtownparks]

I don't have the links in front of me, (I will post them when I get home) but I believe we have been in a decade long period of unusual solar activity. In the last 12-18 months, we have been in a period of unusual low amounts of solar activity. I don't mean to come up like a conspiracy theorist or anything, but I personally beleive in the possibility that the sun has a direct and widespread impact on global temperatures.

[Charleston native]

Astronomists have already been alarmed by the lack of sunspots which they have observed, and they have said that this phenomena usually transcends into a harsh, prolonged cooling period...which we are experiencing now.

Hmmmmm....

[jandar]

Look up Maunder Minimum and learn what a lack of sunspots can do, the little ice age corresponded with it.

Then look up Modern Maximum.


This is another point of view that must be taken into account. Man is not the only one that can affect the earth.

[RiversideGator]

So much for the "consensus":

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Study: Half of warming due to Sun! â€"Sea Levels Fail to Rise? - Warming Fears in 'Dustbin of History'   
POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.  Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Full Report Set To Be Released in the Next 24 Hours â€" Stay Tuned…

A hint of what the upcoming report contains:   

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.   

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” -  Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology  and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.” 

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist. 

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet. 

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico 

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” â€" . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review. 

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden. 

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee. 

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6

[Jason]

Was that necessary?

[Jason]

^ Now that's a statement that carries some weight.  The previous is is nothing more than a stab.

[Charleston native]

...The group of 'scientists' as has already been pointed out to River in many many other posts is not composed of climatologists, nor is it of the size he reported.

They put out email sheets at conventions so that people could sign up to check out more info, then claimed all of those people as 'members'.

Most of the people who signed that were actually climate scientists were appalled to find out that their names were included in the 'membership list'.

Its fraudulent from top to bottom, and whats worse is that River already knew that before he posted.

More lies and distortions, Stephen, but not unexpected from you anymore.

The "email sheet" argument came from our discussion of a different organization and a different leader in previous posts and few months back. Nice of you to try to lump it with this completely new report and addition to the list of dissenters.

Your statement may "carry some weight", but the mass of it is a ton of crap