Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

[BridgeTroll]

What does this have to do with GW??

[jandar]

you Republicans should be stripped of any opinion,you got everything wrong lately...Remember 8 years ago talkign how american was to drive gas guzzling vehicles,not preserving money and spending like there is no tommorow,war in Iraq will be over in 6 months,Iraqis will accept us with flowers and on and on.
Oh yeah and economy is DOING GREAT.
And now global warming doesn't exist and it is not man made,we still want to pollute earth as much as posible it is american thing to do.

Anybody sane should not trust your judgment at all,you haven't get anything right.


And did I get that right,scientist can not make right decision about global warming  based on 150 years of data while YOU can make decision that global warming doesn't exist?


Do you guys work for Satan???

Did I say global warming was a farce?
No

Did I say global warming was real?
No

I look at the whole picture. Every time some cold month happens, I hear the global warming camp scream its just a micro-climate condition. Same argument can apply for the limited knowledge we have of earth's climate.

Unlike you, or the global warming camp, I actually try to understand all sides of the argument. I know that there is a lot more involved than just man made CO2.

I laughed at the hockey stick graph, when it failed to include the Medieval Warm Period. Amazing how many people fell for that without any actual knowledge. Its the same thing that people are falling for now.

I could go on about having temperature reading stations located in bad places that are feeding the models, or that the models only include static data and assume that the factors don't change.

(Many weather stations are located next to heat sources, skewing data)



But I will just leave the "its getting hotter quicker than ever before crowd" with this link:
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/greenland_ice_core_shows_ice_age_temperatures_rose_22_degrees_in_50_years

Information gleaned from a Greenland ice core by an international science team shows that two huge Northern Hemisphere temperature spikes prior to the close of the last ice age some 11,500 years ago were tied to fundamental shifts in atmospheric circulation.

The ice core showed the Northern Hemisphere briefly emerged from the last ice age some 14,700 years ago with a 22-degree-Fahrenheit spike in just 50 years, then plunged back into icy conditions before abruptly warming again about 11,700 years ago. Startlingly, the Greenland ice core evidence showed that a massive "reorganization" of atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere coincided with each temperature spurt, with each reorganization taking just one or two years, said the study authors.

[gatorback]

Just because they get everything wrong 100% of the time does not mean they don't know what they are doing, does it?

Halliburton was almost bankrupt 8 years ago, now it's doing great! That may not benefit "Joe the Plumber", but is sure does help Cheney and the rest of his "gang", though.

They got the war in Iraq for oil right.

[RiversideGator]

Any man that thinks that they know what the earth is doing with only 150 years of accurate scientific measurements (and decent guessses for a few hundred thousand years) when the planet is 4.5 billion years old is either an ego driven know it all or foolish or both.

Jandar, clearly you've not read this thread otherwise you would have know that our ice core samples are a little older then 150 years.  I think they go back like way back.  Like millions of years.

Try reading the thread and you'll gain some understanding of what we are talking about. 

And the ice core samples indicate that CO2 rises lag temperature increases meaning that CO2 levels increase after the temps increase and therefore do not cause them.

[RiversideGator]

Just because they get everything wrong 100% of the time does not mean they don't know what they are doing, does it?

Halliburton was almost bankrupt 8 years ago, now it's doing great! That may not benefit "Joe the Plumber", but is sure does help Cheney and the rest of his "gang", though.

Perhaps it is time to revisit some of your wildly inaccurate predictions, midway.   

[RiversideGator]

Just because they get everything wrong 100% of the time does not mean they don't know what they are doing, does it?

Halliburton was almost bankrupt 8 years ago, now it's doing great! That may not benefit "Joe the Plumber", but is sure does help Cheney and the rest of his "gang", though.

They got the war in Iraq for oil right.

The Iraq war was won.  Saddam and his thug sons are dead.  Mission accomplished.   

[Midway ®]

Just because they get everything wrong 100% of the time does not mean they don't know what they are doing, does it?

Halliburton was almost bankrupt 8 years ago, now it's doing great! That may not benefit "Joe the Plumber", but is sure does help Cheney and the rest of his "gang", though.

Perhaps it is time to revisit some of your wildly inaccurate predictions, midway.   

You mean like Bush Jr. would lose the election?

And BTW, it's almost time for your annual review, so we will be shortly be revisiting all of your wildly inaccurate predictions made during this year. So, you might want to parse and delete some of those clunkers.

[Bostech]

Just because they get everything wrong 100% of the time does not mean they don't know what they are doing, does it?

Halliburton was almost bankrupt 8 years ago, now it's doing great! That may not benefit "Joe the Plumber", but is sure does help Cheney and the rest of his "gang", though.

They got the war in Iraq for oil right.

The Iraq war was won.  Saddam and his thug sons are dead.  Mission accomplished.   

Iraq war was won?

Why don't you go home then?

[RiversideGator]

Just because they get everything wrong 100% of the time does not mean they don't know what they are doing, does it?

Halliburton was almost bankrupt 8 years ago, now it's doing great! That may not benefit "Joe the Plumber", but is sure does help Cheney and the rest of his "gang", though.

Perhaps it is time to revisit some of your wildly inaccurate predictions, midway.   

You mean like Bush Jr. would lose the election?

And BTW, it's almost time for your annual review, so we will be shortly be revisiting all of your wildly inaccurate predictions made during this year. So, you might want to parse and delete some of those clunkers.

Alright then.  You made me do it, midway.  Here are some of your very worst predictions of the last few months:

A.
I was arguing that inflation was not a real problem and that the oil bubble would burst.  You disagreed with typical sarcasm:

But if we were having truly massive inflation across the board as in the 1970s, we would see wages and property values continue to go through the roof.  This is obviously not happening.  I agree that demand played a role in the run up but this is no lessening, supply is increasing and prices are increasingly unhinged from reality.

Bubble bursting!

Oil declines precipitously from $141.85 to $144.50 per BBL today!

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,2265.0.html

And here is a chart showing real gas prices (the chief product of oil) over a number of years:


B.
Here is a nice one about metals:

May 5, 2008:

Looks like all the predictions of "metal prices coming down" and "all the increases are being caused by speculators" might not be quite on the mark. Duh, never realized it takes electricity to make metal! I thought they just dug up big sheets of it out of the ground, brushed off the dirt and made SUV's out of it.

But I'm sure that a 50 year drought in Chile and surging demand in China coupled with a lack of electrical and energy infrastructure in China can just be waved away with the flick of RG's wrist and the copious posting of charts and diagrams, as well as explaining that Bloomberg news is just a left wing tool.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,2187.0.html

And here is a chart of copper prices showing the reality of the situation after midway's prediction of perpetual high prices:



Do I need to look for more?   

[gatorback]

No. Stop. 

[Charleston native]

you Republicans should be stripped of any opinion

Such tolerance. I feel it more each day with you and your communist buddies in charge, claiming victory.

you got everything wrong lately...Remember 8 years ago talkign how american was to drive gas guzzling vehicles,not preserving money and spending like there is no tommorow,war in Iraq will be over in 6 months,Iraqis will accept us with flowers and on and on.
Oh yeah and economy is DOING GREAT.
And now global warming doesn't exist and it is not man made,we still want to pollute earth as much as posible it is american thing to do.

Anybody sane should not trust your judgment at all,you haven't get anything right.

Lies and complete distortions, but the usual Bostech post.

[Midway ®]

RG, I already gave you that you got the prices of commodities and oil coming down right. Unfortunately, it took the complete destruction of the world economy to do it; so congratulations.

That's kind of like wrecking all of the buildings in NYC so that you can get to see the sunset from street level.

What else have you got?

I think I can post ten (10) of yours for  every one (1) of mine.

[RiversideGator]

I said commodities were in a bubble and would come down.  You said I was wrong.  And, I did not state the mechanism by which they would be reduced in price so this is really beside the point.  Bottom line:  I was right, you were wrong.  In any event, no one has a crystal ball regarding the economy.  But, if I were you, I would not bet against the United States now either.   

Oh and regarding your amazingly obvious prediction of an Obama win, this is hardly proof of your soothsaying abilities.  It was obvious to most everyone that 2008 was the Democrat's year.  Personally, I did not come out and outright say it to avoid sounding defeatist but the handwriting was on the wall.

[gatorback]

and this relates to global cooling in what way?

[Midway ®]

It speaks to the increased probability that RSG is also wrong about this.