Downtown Development Update: What's rising, what's delayed

[MakeDTjaxGre@tAgain]

^ the restaurant and cra for shipyards west, yes. But the developer said they would fund the riverfront plaza restaurant themselves I thought?

Also, Gateway did take some out of N8. How does it affect that project? N11 opens next week. Wonder if they would use some of that completion to help N8 to shuffle the numbers.

11/8 - Gaffney not recorded in the image above.

[Steve]

Good news.

In terms of the restaurants, there may be other ways to make those happen. I highly doubt this would happen without the completion grant.

[Charles Hunter]

Is the Riverfront restaurant off the table for good, or 'just' delayed a couple of years?
Is that the one that European Street was going to have?
As a consolation prize, can they have the Bier Garten under the Main Street Bridge?

[jaxlongtimer]

^ the restaurant and cra for shipyards west, yes. But the developer said they would fund the riverfront plaza restaurant themselves I thought?

Also, Gateway did take some out of N8. How does it affect that project? N11 opens next week. Wonder if they would use some of that completion to help N8 to shuffle the numbers.

11/8 - Gaffney not recorded in the image above.

"No's" from the usual anti-everything mafia.  I will say, after this, it's going to be hard getting such completion grants going forward given Amendment 3.

I feel for Deegan and future mayors navigating cutting services.  Amendment 3 should have been done by county.  Then, the fixed income retirees could have cut their taxes in South and Central Florida and let non-retiree dominated counties go in a different direction.

[fsu813]

Is the Riverfront restaurant off the table for good, or 'just' delayed a couple of years?
Is that the one that European Street was going to have?
As a consolation prize, can they have the Bier Garten under the Main Street Bridge?

No, not the European Street restaurant.

There are actually currently at least 4 restaurants planned for Riverfront Plaza. E Street, the beer garden (which is a defacto restaurant), whatever is hypothetically going into the Gateway tower, and the riverfront restaurant close to the Riverwalk. Probably more, as I doubt the tower would only have 1.

So this is regarding the riverfront restaurant near the Riverwalk. It will be paused. But it was always going to be a bigger challenge than what's been published. Some might say it's better to leave this particular spot undeveloped and used by the public, and focus on the success of the other 3+ restaurants in the park.

And after the discussion tonight, I wouldn't bet on significant incentives for a Gateway tower at riverfront plaza. COJ should listen to what some people *ahem* have been advising for years now, and scale back the vision for that development pad to something more affordable and timely, and less imposing. Think a 3-4 story development similar in concept to The Hub in Brooklyn. Infinitely more doable than a luxury tower in that spot, for the foreseeable future. But I digress...

[fsu813]

^ the restaurant and cra for shipyards west, yes. But the developer said they would fund the riverfront plaza restaurant themselves I thought?

Also, Gateway did take some out of N8. How does it affect that project? N11 opens next week. Wonder if they would use some of that completion to help N8 to shuffle the numbers.

11/8 - Gaffney not recorded in the image above.

"No's" from the usual anti-everything mafia.  I will say, after this, it's going to be hard getting such completion grants going forward given Amendment 3.

I feel for Deegan and future mayors navigating cutting services.  Amendment 3 should have been done by county.  Then, the fixed income retirees could have cut their taxes in South and Central Florida and let non-retiree dominated counties go in a different direction.

The state will have to figure out some work around. If they don't, business investment will stagnate and people/capital will choose to move and invest elsewhere. Not ten years from now, but two years from now. And that's untenable. Ron may not care, but Byron certainly does.

[MakeDTjaxGre@tAgain]

More random questions. With this getting approved, GJ usually buildout ground floors last according to their 2 current projects.

Would there be a case where they buildout the Publix shell to the point they can handover to Publix? Such that they have completed substantial amount of the apartments (at least topped, or only interior work needs to be competed) so there's no disruptions and Publix can operate while full buildout of the tower is being completed? After all, they have a garage before in N6 next door and N11/N4 would've been already completed.