Move over Austin, there’s a new #1 boomtown

[arb]

Excerpt taken from an article posted to AOL.com:

"For more than a decade, the Austin metro grew faster than any large metro in the country. But for at least this year, it's reign has come to an end.

The Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) saw the highest percent growth of any major metro for 12 straight years, according to the city of Austin. And even though the 12-year streak is now over — the city is still growing faster than almost every major city according to multiple census metrics.

The latest data, which was released on Thursday, shows the metro is the second fastest-growing region among cities with populations over 1 million.

Only the Jacksonville, Florida metro area saw a higher rate of growth, which saw a 2.2% increase in population from 2022-2023."

In terms of pure numbers, Dallas-Fort Worth continues to gain the highest population increase; however, percentage wise of the "major metros" (those over 1 million), Jacksonville has a higher rate of growth. I'm sure Jacksonville has passed Austin as the 10th most populated city proper; however, Fort Worth is booming and could take the #10 spot soon. We will see for certain when the census comes out with the data in May.

Thoughts, anyone?

[Todd_Parker]

No doubt this growth increase can be attributed to the forthcoming U2C.

[jcjohnpaint]

Well how else would they get around town?

[Charles Hunter]

No doubt this growth increase can be attributed to the forthcoming U2C.

With a Fudruckers in each palatial station.

[thelakelander]

This isn't saying much, if I'm reading the article right.

There are only 11 MSAs that have a +1 million city in them. Most, excluding Phoenix, Austin, etc., have been growing slow or suffering from population loss for a while. If they changed their ranking to MSAs over one million, we'd drop quite a bit.

[Zac T]

This isn't saying much, if I'm reading the article right.

There are only 11 MSAs that have a +1 million city in them. Most, excluding Phoenix, Austin, etc., have been growing slow or suffering from population loss for a while. If they changed their ranking to MSAs over one million, we'd drop quite a bit.

The article is ranking MSA's with 1 million+ population, not MSA's that have a city with 1 million+ as Austin doesn't even have 1 million residents yet.

Between 2022-2023, Jax was the fastest growing large metro area percentage wise (2.2%) and by pure numbers, we were #12 (+37k). Since 2020, Jax has been the 10th fastest growing metro area in the country by pure numbers gaining 107k new residents. No matter which way you spin it, Jax is growing super fast and outpacing metros like Nashville, Denver, and Minneapolis. If trends continue, we will be at 2 million people by the end of the decade and should surpass the Hampton Roads metro area and San Jose (although one could argue San Jose should be included in the Bay Area's numbers)

Most of our growth has been happening in Duval which has gained 166k residents since 2010 with St Johns a close second gaining 130k residents

[thelakelander]

Excerpt taken from an article posted to AOL.com:

"For more than a decade, the Austin metro grew faster than any large metro in the country. But for at least this year, it's reign has come to an end.

The Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) saw the highest percent growth of any major metro for 12 straight years, according to the city of Austin. And even though the 12-year streak is now over — the city is still growing faster than almost every major city according to multiple census metrics.

The latest data, which was released on Thursday, shows the metro is the second fastest-growing region among cities with populations over 1 million.

Only the Jacksonville, Florida metro area saw a higher rate of growth, which saw a 2.2% increase in population from 2022-2023."

In terms of pure numbers, Dallas-Fort Worth continues to gain the highest population increase; however, percentage wise of the "major metros" (those over 1 million), Jacksonville has a higher rate of growth. I'm sure Jacksonville has passed Austin as the 10th most populated city proper; however, Fort Worth is booming and could take the #10 spot soon. We will see for certain when the census comes out with the data in May.

Thoughts, anyone?

This part was confusing. Can you send a link to the article?

[BridgeTroll]

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2024/03/14/atx-no-longer-the-fastest-growing-metro-in-the-us-see-where-it-ranks/72975746007/

[jaxlongtimer]

I can't resist observing the waterfront in Austin... the setbacks and greenspaces lining it.  So much nicer than what we are doing so far in Jax.  Even the tallest skyscraper closest to the waterfront is angled back as it rises.  Looks like Austin sticks to standards while Jax caves in to developers of the day.  Doesn't seem that Austin's downtown is suffering as a result... to the contrary, it is booming compared to Jax.

[Charles Hunter]

The video at the top of that Austin Statesman article was telling. A time-lapse of the Austin skyline from 2005 to 2023. New tall buildings nearly every year.  Except for the presence/absence of the Landing, and name changes atop a couple of buildings, you could interchange the 2005 and 2023 Jax core skyline photos and only the sharp-eyed would be the wiser.

[arb]

Excerpt taken from an article posted to AOL.com:

"For more than a decade, the Austin metro grew faster than any large metro in the country. But for at least this year, it's reign has come to an end.

The Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) saw the highest percent growth of any major metro for 12 straight years, according to the city of Austin. And even though the 12-year streak is now over — the city is still growing faster than almost every major city according to multiple census metrics.

The latest data, which was released on Thursday, shows the metro is the second fastest-growing region among cities with populations over 1 million.

Only the Jacksonville, Florida metro area saw a higher rate of growth, which saw a 2.2% increase in population from 2022-2023."

In terms of pure numbers, Dallas-Fort Worth continues to gain the highest population increase; however, percentage wise of the "major metros" (those over 1 million), Jacksonville has a higher rate of growth. I'm sure Jacksonville has passed Austin as the 10th most populated city proper; however, Fort Worth is booming and could take the #10 spot soon. We will see for certain when the census comes out with the data in May.

Thoughts, anyone?

This part was confusing. Can you send a link to the article?

I can see how that part appears confusing. I believe they mean metros over 1 million. Either way, a growth rate of 2.2% is pretty impressive.

Looks like Bridge Troll posted the link.

[jaxlongtimer]

Apparently, not everyone is so happy to be in Florida....

They came for Florida's sun and sand. They got soaring costs and a culture war.

Florida has seen a population boom in recent years, but many longtime residents and recent transplants say rising costs and divisive politics have them fleeing the Sunshine State.

Florida has had a population boom over the past several years, with more than 700,000 people moving there in 2022, and it was the second-fastest-growing state as of July 2023, according to Census Bureau data. While there are some indications that migration to the state has slowed from its pandemic highs, only Texas saw more one-way U-Haul moves into the state than Florida last year. Mortgage application data indicated there were nearly two homebuyers moving to Florida in 2023 for every one leaving, according to data analytics firm CoreLogic.

But while hundreds of thousands of new residents have flocked to the state on the promise of beautiful weather, no income tax and lower costs, nearly 500,000 left in 2022, according to the most recent census data. Contributing to their move was a perfect storm of soaring insurance costs, a hostile political environment, worsening traffic and extreme weather, according to interviews with more than a dozen recent transplants and longtime residents who left the state in the past two years....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/leaving-florida-rcna142316

[BridgeTroll]

Apparently, not everyone is so happy to be in Florida....

They came for Florida's sun and sand. They got soaring costs and a culture war.

Florida has seen a population boom in recent years, but many longtime residents and recent transplants say rising costs and divisive politics have them fleeing the Sunshine State.

Florida has had a population boom over the past several years, with more than 700,000 people moving there in 2022, and it was the second-fastest-growing state as of July 2023, according to Census Bureau data. While there are some indications that migration to the state has slowed from its pandemic highs, only Texas saw more one-way U-Haul moves into the state than Florida last year. Mortgage application data indicated there were nearly two homebuyers moving to Florida in 2023 for every one leaving, according to data analytics firm CoreLogic.

But while hundreds of thousands of new residents have flocked to the state on the promise of beautiful weather, no income tax and lower costs, nearly 500,000 left in 2022, according to the most recent census data. Contributing to their move was a perfect storm of soaring insurance costs, a hostile political environment, worsening traffic and extreme weather, according to interviews with more than a dozen recent transplants and longtime residents who left the state in the past two years....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/leaving-florida-rcna142316

Me...

https://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-florida-appalachia-retirees-rural-georgia-population-growth-2024-3

[CityLife]

Apparently, not everyone is so happy to be in Florida....

They came for Florida's sun and sand. They got soaring costs and a culture war.

Florida has seen a population boom in recent years, but many longtime residents and recent transplants say rising costs and divisive politics have them fleeing the Sunshine State.

Florida has had a population boom over the past several years, with more than 700,000 people moving there in 2022, and it was the second-fastest-growing state as of July 2023, according to Census Bureau data. While there are some indications that migration to the state has slowed from its pandemic highs, only Texas saw more one-way U-Haul moves into the state than Florida last year. Mortgage application data indicated there were nearly two homebuyers moving to Florida in 2023 for every one leaving, according to data analytics firm CoreLogic.

But while hundreds of thousands of new residents have flocked to the state on the promise of beautiful weather, no income tax and lower costs, nearly 500,000 left in 2022, according to the most recent census data. Contributing to their move was a perfect storm of soaring insurance costs, a hostile political environment, worsening traffic and extreme weather, according to interviews with more than a dozen recent transplants and longtime residents who left the state in the past two years....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/leaving-florida-rcna142316

Do you actually believe this propaganda? NY is hemorrhaging residents and businesses to Florida. There has been an ongoing war on Florida by NY for sometime, but it's ramped up quite a bit since they have really started losing more high income residents and businesses. The article is filled with blatant lies and exaggerations. They quote a lady that says it is literally 100 degrees at night in Palm Beach. Last year there was 1 day in Palm Beach where the HIGH even got above 95 degrees all year. The lows are in the 70's and low 80's every night. This is an absolutely preposterous misrepresentation that is intentionally used to scare people from moving to Florida. South Florida is cooler in the summer than most places in the South. Nashville had 10 days above 95 degrees last year, Atlanta 20.

The political stuff is also overblown. I know many liberal and moderate people that have moved to Florida in the past few years and are very happy. If anything, many of them are surprised to see how much the national media has blown things out of proportion in Florida. Probably from slanted articles like this one.

Facts. The best parts of Florida are expensive. If you are not well off in states (outside of the northeast or California) you will be worse off financially here. If you are well off in other places, you can have an incredibly good life in Florida. If you are unhappy or not successful elsewhere, Florida will not magically solve all of your issues.  Every single person I know that has moved to South Florida from the northeast, Chicago, and California, is happier here than they have ever been in their life. These are all people that have always been happy and successful wherever they have been.

The outmigration of people from Florida is nothing new. Just go to the Western North Carolina mountains, where you will see more UF/FSU car stickers than any other school. It always been exponentially cheaper to retire there and is where many Floridians on fixed incomes go. Now that housing prices have gotten out control, it's even more tempting for people to cash in and live like multi-millionaires in more affordable places. My house has increased 2.25x from what I paid it for in 2018. For many people that bought homes in the 90's, it's 10x+. Many boomers have millions of equity in their homes and much less in the bank. It's almost foolish for them to not cash out. It has nothing to do with hating Florida. My parents live in NC, and they and their Floridian expat friends that can't afford a 2nd home in Florida are all jealous of the ones that can.

[Captain Zissou]

I can't resist observing the waterfront in Austin... the setbacks and greenspaces lining it.  So much nicer than what we are doing so far in Jax.  Even the tallest skyscraper closest to the waterfront is angled back as it rises.  Looks like Austin sticks to standards while Jax caves in to developers of the day.  Doesn't seem that Austin's downtown is suffering as a result... to the contrary, it is booming compared to Jax.

I don't know that the greenspace is driving the growth of downtown, but it is a nice amenity to the workers and residents of the area.  What was interesting is that their "riverwalk" is just a gravel path, but it was extremely active the whole time I was there last year.  My wife and i walked a mile or two everyday and it was absolutely packed.  The body of water it fronts is wildly different and I think what Austin has would be quickly eroded in Jax, but it's an interesting comparison.  To me it seems that the population and adjacent uses drive utilization much more than the materials, budget, or presence of a 60 foot tall LERP statue.