The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Snaketoz]

Now, if only the Jags can win out.

[Captain Zissou]

Now, if only the Jags can win out.

But they don't have to in order to make the playoffs.  We just need a win on January 8th!!

[Snaketoz]

Now, if only the Jags can win out.

But they don't have to in order to make the playoffs.  We just need a win on January 8th!!

I prefer two blow-out wins for the Jags and at least one win in the playoffs.

[BridgeTroll]

Could there be a Packer vs Jaguar Super Bowl?

[Ken_FSU]

Going back to stadium capacity, when you've got a stadium set up for 67,000 in a smaller market like Jacksonville, which is a larger capacity than Chicago, Detroit, Phoenix, Indianapolis, Miami, Tampa, Minneapolis, New England, etc., you create a situation where there's a massive gap between ticket supply and ticket demand for regular season NFL games, particularly when the product on the field is bad.

Contributes to these situations like today where it's too easy and too cheap for 20,000 opposing fans to flock to our stadium, fill that gap, a
take away any semblance of home field advantage, and create 30-year false narratives that Jax doesn't have a good fanbase. 

Have been saying since the day that I moved to Jax - our stadium is too large for our market and it doesn't reflect the direction that sports stadiums have been moving for the last decade. Going 55k max with the renovation like Nashville is talking about doing and smartly enhancing the intimacy and game day experience for a smaller crowd would be the absolute smartest move the city and the Jags could make. Would swing supply back in line with demand, or even slightly below it, which should push ticket prices up for the Jags across the board. At most, this renovation is going to buy us another 20 years before a total rebuild is necessary. At that point, maybe Jax will be a mature enough market to support going back to 62-65k. If we lose Florida-Georgia because of a capacity reduction, that sucks, but I don't see any other NFL city tailoring multi billion dollar NFL stadium/gameday decisions to a single college football game with no long-term agreement on the books.

On today, yep, Jags still finding creative new ways to beat themselves. Another super winnable game botched by questionable coaching decisions, turnovers, tough breaks from officiating, accuracy issues from Trevor, dropped balls, and defensive struggles. But again, at least it was competitive up until the final seconds. With a little bit more seasoning, this team could be the one sitting at 6-1 after the game.

Sanity wins out.

Jags are looking to downsize (read: rightsize) capacity with the new stadium.

57,500 to 60,000.

Smartest move they could possibly make.

https://venuesnow.com/jags-pick-hok-to-design-stadium-upgrades/

[Charles Hunter]

Wonder how FL and GA will react.

[Charles Hunter]

In more immediate news, the Jags / Flaming Thumbtacks game will be Saturday night.  It will be one of two NFL games this Saturday as part of an ESPN double-header - the earlier game will be KC / Las Vegas.
https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-jacksonville-jaguars-nfl-week-18-game-time

[jaxlongtimer]

Going back to stadium capacity, when you've got a stadium set up for 67,000 in a smaller market like Jacksonville, which is a larger capacity than Chicago, Detroit, Phoenix, Indianapolis, Miami, Tampa, Minneapolis, New England, etc., you create a situation where there's a massive gap between ticket supply and ticket demand for regular season NFL games, particularly when the product on the field is bad.

Contributes to these situations like today where it's too easy and too cheap for 20,000 opposing fans to flock to our stadium, fill that gap, a
take away any semblance of home field advantage, and create 30-year false narratives that Jax doesn't have a good fanbase. 

Have been saying since the day that I moved to Jax - our stadium is too large for our market and it doesn't reflect the direction that sports stadiums have been moving for the last decade. Going 55k max with the renovation like Nashville is talking about doing and smartly enhancing the intimacy and game day experience for a smaller crowd would be the absolute smartest move the city and the Jags could make. Would swing supply back in line with demand, or even slightly below it, which should push ticket prices up for the Jags across the board. At most, this renovation is going to buy us another 20 years before a total rebuild is necessary. At that point, maybe Jax will be a mature enough market to support going back to 62-65k. If we lose Florida-Georgia because of a capacity reduction, that sucks, but I don't see any other NFL city tailoring multi billion dollar NFL stadium/gameday decisions to a single college football game with no long-term agreement on the books.

On today, yep, Jags still finding creative new ways to beat themselves. Another super winnable game botched by questionable coaching decisions, turnovers, tough breaks from officiating, accuracy issues from Trevor, dropped balls, and defensive struggles. But again, at least it was competitive up until the final seconds. With a little bit more seasoning, this team could be the one sitting at 6-1 after the game.

Sanity wins out.

Jags are looking to downsize (read: rightsize) capacity with the new stadium.

57,500 to 60,000.

Smartest move they could possibly make.

https://venuesnow.com/jags-pick-hok-to-design-stadium-upgrades/

I presume the below quote refers to the Shipyards and not a return of Lot J?

HKS, which is designing a hotel and office complex as part of the Jaguars' mixed-use development next to the stadium, designed the two-team NFL venue in Inglewood, California.

Screw the seating, suites and other fan amenities.  They are preserving the most important elements of the stadium....

The two swimming pools and outdoor cabana suites in the north end of TIAA Bank Field, which made a big splash when they opened in 2014 as a group space for NFL games, will remain intact and the cabanas would be revamped as part of the renovations, Lamping said.

[Captain Zissou]

Wonder how FL and GA will react.

The article has your answer: "TIAA Bank Field's current capacity for NFL games runs about 68,000 with the flexibility to expand to 82,500 for the annual Florida-Georgia college football game. Recently, the two SEC schools approved a reduction in capacity of 77,000 for that game, Lamping said."

[Charles Hunter]

Wonder how FL and GA will react.

The article has your answer: "TIAA Bank Field's current capacity for NFL games runs about 68,000 with the flexibility to expand to 82,500 for the annual Florida-Georgia college football game. Recently, the two SEC schools approved a reduction in capacity of 77,000 for that game, Lamping said."

But was that agreement with 77,000 before the latest proposed capacity reduction from 68,000 to less than 60,000? And does the new design allow temporary seating for FL/GA?

[Lostwave]

It will be retractable seating.  It will be folded up for normal jaguars games, and extended out for florida georgia.  Kind of like a high school gym.  Jags will have a smaller sell out capacity.  Other events will fold out the retractable seats for 70 to 80k total.

[Charles Hunter]

Interesting, I'd like to see some renderings (no, not architectural/engineering plans). Where will these retractable (sounds better than collapsable) seats be?  I assume over the pools is one place.
Sounds like it would reduce the cost of adding the temp seats, too.

[jaxlongtimer]

^ My recollection is there were substantial temporary seats placed on a platform above the Bud Zone in the past.  Looking at a stadium aerial on Google it looks like anywhere there is a flat concrete platform, more seats could be squeezed in.  So, in addition to the end zones, it would appear seats could also be added in the club sections, mid-field.

Of course, for $1+ billion, they may make other changes to the stadium that allow for temporary seating, especially if they remove several thousand permanent seats.

[Steve]

Here's the thing though.... if they reduce the standard capacity for 60k and still want to get 77k in there for Florida-Georgia that likely won't work.....or the fan amenities for Jags Games would be great. If the standard capacity is 60k then:

- The Restrooms are designed around 60k
- Concessions are designed around 60k
- Concourses would be designed around 60k

Obviously, they'll have to meet fire code to allow 77k in the place but I'd love to see this design that allows for 17k Plus temporary seats. they could somehow build in retractable seats that turn into giant walls/billboards for Jags Games (that would really do something for airflow in the place).

Now from the article, I find this disingenuous:

"As part of that study, the Jaguars weighed the costs of renovating a stadium in which parts of the infrastructure date to 1928, the year it opened, against building a new facility from the ground up."

I'd love to know what item from the structure dates to 1928. When they rebuilt for the Jags in the 90's, they did leave one of the upper decks and the ramp structure attached to it, which dated to the early 80s (the other side didn't have an upper deck I believe). But everything else was literally dirt and built from scratch.

Side note...interesting about HOK: They had become the standard in stadium architecture at one point, then spun off the stadium business (HOK Sport) and rebranded it as Populous. Now they're back in the stadium game themselves and have some nice projects in their portfolio like M-B in Atlanta and the renovation of Miami's stadium.

[pierre]

The Cardinals stadium in Glendale seats 63k but is expanded to over 73k for Super Bowls and college games.