COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[Lunican]

Cumulative.

[WarDamJagFan]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

So we basically agree that everyone should be vaccinated, more mitigation measures should be put in place, and the politicization of the pandemic is a betrayal of public office, right? 

I just don't see the point of relitigating this issue as if we're starting from a blank slate, because it won't change a thing. The unfortunate reality before us is the combination of the following: people have rights, even to do (or not do) things detrimental to themselves and society; we are not in a practical position to both rapidly and legally deprive them of those rights; whether there is good cause for their resistance to common sense or not, it exists -- and it exists among a much more diverse group than you seem willing to admit; and our leaders are not taking all possible steps to eliminate that resistance. I'm mad too, but if you think being mad and name calling will do anything to change that reality, you're wrong -- but I hope you feel better.

For my part, I hope our leaders take all steps within their legal authority to get your "bottom-feeding", "moron[ic]", "selfish wimperers" over the hump and into the vaccinated camp. There is plenty of room for both more carrot and stick to be applied within the bounds of the law. Full FDA approval would help the defense against legal challenges (another inevitable reality we can't name-call away), and I hope it comes quickly.

As far as the Revolution, or the 1950s, or whatever -- it's a different time. For a very long time now, we've chosen to identify ourselves by our differences (sexual orientation, race, politics, gender, religion, etc.) to the exclusion of our commonalities (American, and the responsibilities of being free). Root-causing that is an entirely different thread topic.

My carrot and stick would be no vacccine, no entry to public places, airlines, travel, etc.  Maybe a big A to be worn in public that means Asshole.

Nothing more wimpy and narrow-minded than screaming like a petulant child behind their keyboard at the injustice of those who haven't submitted to the same world-view of your own still having the right to walk outside their own front door.

[Adam White]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

So we basically agree that everyone should be vaccinated, more mitigation measures should be put in place, and the politicization of the pandemic is a betrayal of public office, right? 

I just don't see the point of relitigating this issue as if we're starting from a blank slate, because it won't change a thing. The unfortunate reality before us is the combination of the following: people have rights, even to do (or not do) things detrimental to themselves and society; we are not in a practical position to both rapidly and legally deprive them of those rights; whether there is good cause for their resistance to common sense or not, it exists -- and it exists among a much more diverse group than you seem willing to admit; and our leaders are not taking all possible steps to eliminate that resistance. I'm mad too, but if you think being mad and name calling will do anything to change that reality, you're wrong -- but I hope you feel better.

For my part, I hope our leaders take all steps within their legal authority to get your "bottom-feeding", "moron[ic]", "selfish wimperers" over the hump and into the vaccinated camp. There is plenty of room for both more carrot and stick to be applied within the bounds of the law. Full FDA approval would help the defense against legal challenges (another inevitable reality we can't name-call away), and I hope it comes quickly.

As far as the Revolution, or the 1950s, or whatever -- it's a different time. For a very long time now, we've chosen to identify ourselves by our differences (sexual orientation, race, politics, gender, religion, etc.) to the exclusion of our commonalities (American, and the responsibilities of being free). Root-causing that is an entirely different thread topic.

My carrot and stick would be no vacccine, no entry to public places, airlines, travel, etc.  Maybe a big A to be worn in public that means Asshole.

Nothing more wimpy and narrow-minded than screaming like a petulant child behind their keyboard at the injustice of those who haven't submitted to the same world-view of your own still having the right to walk outside their own front door.

Yeah, that's *totally* what just happened there. Good one.

[Snaketoz]

"I'd rather argue with a hundred idiots, than have one agree with me."

[Tacachale]

Enough.

[Snaketoz]

Just learned a child in my granddaughter's class has tested positive for Covid.

[Adam White]

Just learned a child in my granddaughter's class has tested positive for Covid.

I had a similar thing about a month ago. I was visiting my wife in hospital and we got an email saying a kid in my son's class had tested positive on the weekend - but that my son wasn't in close contact, so he didn't need to do anything. That was ludicrous - they don't sit at the same table in the room, but the kid sat at the table next to his (the same table my son's best friend sits at). And they all breathe the same air and mix together and play together outside. So I immediately left the hospital and took my son out of school. It used to be that the entire year was treated as a 'bubble' and if one kid in the year tested positive, the entire year had to stay home for two weeks. Then the government changed its advice.

He managed to stay COVID-free for the remaining week or two of school. On the downside, our cases are going up and I expect that things will be much worse when he returns to school in September (and when my wife and I return to the office one day a week). I am not looking forward to that at all...

[BridgeTroll]

I'm hearing from someone on the inside of the health insurance business that unvaccinated insured customers may be limited in Covid treatment coverage...

[Josh]

I'm hearing from someone on the inside of the health insurance business that unvaccinated insured customers may be limited in Covid treatment coverage...

The flood gates are going to open in a lot of aspects once the vaccines have full FDA approval.

The median cost of COVID treatment in the hospital is over $70k, and right now 1 in 813 Jaxsons are being hospitalized.

[Snaketoz]

Here's an analogy I'm sure several here will disagree with, but here goes.  I think of those who refuse to be vaccinated much like those who refuse to have their animals vaccinated for rabies.  How would you feel if your child, spouse, or loved one was bitten and contracted rabies from a dog your neighbor neglected to have vaccinated?  I feel the same way about those who allow Covid to spread, mutate, and hang around because of their feelings.

[Adam White]

Here's an analogy I'm sure several here will disagree with, but here goes.  I think of those who refuse to be vaccinated much like those who refuse to have their animals vaccinated for rabies.  How would you feel if your child, spouse, or loved one was bitten and contracted rabies from a dog your neighbor neglected to have vaccinated?  I feel the same way about those who allow Covid to spread, mutate, and hang around because of their feelings.

I think it's weird that no one ever complains about 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' but somehow requiring a mask is a major human rights issue.

[Snaketoz]

Just found out my 8 year old granddaughter has tested positive for Covid. Drat!

[BridgeTroll]

Just found out my 8 year old granddaughter has tested positive for Covid. Drat!

That's awful... is she ok?

[BridgeTroll]

Found this interesting...

[thelakelander]

^Not surprising at all. There's a lot of historical mistrust that the Black community has with public agencies. Familiar with horror stories like the decades long Tuskegee Experiment? There's a lot of misinformation flying around out there in a community that already doesn't trust entities that have historically screwed it over.

D.C.'s Howard University is working to address vaccine hesitancy through a new campaign focused on the descendants of the Tuskegee Experiment.

Between the 1930s and 1970s, hundreds of Black men were subjected to a U.S. study of untreated Syphilis, conducted in Tuskegee, Alabama.

"Our uncles and fathers and grandfathers were victims of that study," said Omar Neal, nephew of one of the men in the study. Neal, who formerly served as Tuskegee mayor, has decided to speak out alongside other descendants as part of a public awareness effort.

Dr. Reed Tuckson, who cofounded the Black Coalition Against COVID-19 and is a Howard trustee, joined the campaign started by AdCouncil, COVID Collaborative and Joy Collective. Howard University hosted a panel discussion and screening of the new short documentary titled "Tuskegee Legacy Stories."

https://wtop.com/dc/2021/08/descendants-of-the-tuskegee-study-join-howard-university-for-vaccine-campaign/