COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[Adam White]

If pro and anti are nothing but the overly simplistic notion of "ya got one", then ya.

But the real world ain't that simple.

But in terms of end result, it is that simple.

[bl8jaxnative]

If pro and anti are nothing but the overly simplistic notion of "ya got one", then ya.

But the real world ain't that simple.

But in terms of end result, it is that simple.

Hmmmmm.....I feel like Nancy Reagan had you mind in that one famous public health campaign of hers.



In other news

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html

Why Only 28 Percent of Young Black New Yorkers Are VaccinatedZ




BTW- Odd how many posts there are here recently and no comment on the 20% reduction in new cases in Duval.       

[jaxoNOLE]

You have anti-vaxxers -- true (non-)believers -- and then you have the vaccine hesitant. The KEF graphic BT posted suggests we may be able to get close to herd immunity (an admittedly moving target) if we can overcome hesitancy and encourage more widespread requirements (or "near-requirements," where the available workarounds are effective disincentives to remain unvaccinated). We've picked the low-to-medium hanging fruit, now we need to solve for what "wait and see" means to people. What are they waiting for? How can we accomplish those things more quickly or answer those lingering questions to their satisfaction?

The graphic, combined with the emerging news stories such as bl8's above, also suggest that painting the unvaccinated in broad strokes--ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Republican, white, rural, yadda yadda--is misguided. Even if many-to-most of the unvaccinated fit that description, it isn't even close to being universally true. We cannot overcome hesitancy without understanding the reasons for that hesitancy. For example, you could cite distrust in the government as one reason for hesitancy -- but a 50 year old white male in rural Florida may have an entirely different reason for his mistrust than a 21 year old black man in New York. Bombarding people with messaging that fails to address their personal concerns ranges from non-productive to counter-productive.

I don't think that's a revelatory observation; solving for it is simply difficult to accomplish quickly and en masse when you realize the complex and nuanced makeup of the unvaccinated population.

[Adam White]

If pro and anti are nothing but the overly simplistic notion of "ya got one", then ya.

But the real world ain't that simple.

But in terms of end result, it is that simple.

Hmmmmm.....I feel like Nancy Reagan had you mind in that one famous public health campaign of hers.



In other news

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html

Why Only 28 Percent of Young Black New Yorkers Are VaccinatedZ




BTW- Odd how many posts there are here recently and no comment on the 20% reduction in new cases in Duval.     

You can quibble whether or not someone is 'pro' vaccine all you want - my point is that the infographic makes it clear that the majority of each group are either vaccinated or planning on getting vaccinated. So when I said most people are 'pro vaccine' that's what I meant.

But yeah, you got me.

[Adam White]

You have anti-vaxxers -- true (non-)believers -- and then you have the vaccine hesitant. The KEF graphic BT posted suggests we may be able to get close to herd immunity (an admittedly moving target) if we can overcome hesitancy and encourage more widespread requirements (or "near-requirements," where the available workarounds are effective disincentives to remain unvaccinated). We've picked the low-to-medium hanging fruit, now we need to solve for what "wait and see" means to people. What are they waiting for? How can we accomplish those things more quickly or answer those lingering questions to their satisfaction?

The graphic, combined with the emerging news stories such as bl8's above, also suggest that painting the unvaccinated in broad strokes--ignorant, stubborn, selfish, Republican, white, rural, yadda yadda--is misguided. Even if many-to-most of the unvaccinated fit that description, it isn't even close to being universally true. We cannot overcome hesitancy without understanding the reasons for that hesitancy. For example, you could cite distrust in the government as one reason for hesitancy -- but a 50 year old white male in rural Florida may have an entirely different reason for his mistrust than a 21 year old black man in New York. Bombarding people with messaging that fails to address their personal concerns ranges from non-productive to counter-productive.

I don't think that's a revelatory observation; solving for it is simply difficult to accomplish quickly and en masse when you realize the complex and nuanced makeup of the unvaccinated population.

As an aside, I've seen a number of scientists state there is no chance of herd immunity with this variant, regardless of how many people get vaccinated. I guess, of course, that depends on the vaccines. We could probably get new ones that might change that. But given the relatively low efficacy of these vaccines against this variant, herd immunity is not going to happen.

[Snaketoz]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

[Charles Hunter]

Where would we be if the anti-vaxxers (of whatever motivation) were around in the 1950s when Dr. Salk's vaccine came out?

[Snaketoz]

We would still be ravaged by polio.

[BridgeTroll]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

Hmmm... you are starting to sound like a Reagan republican...lol...

[jaxoNOLE]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

So we basically agree that everyone should be vaccinated, more mitigation measures should be put in place, and the politicization of the pandemic is a betrayal of public office, right? 

I just don't see the point of relitigating this issue as if we're starting from a blank slate, because it won't change a thing. The unfortunate reality before us is the combination of the following: people have rights, even to do (or not do) things detrimental to themselves and society; we are not in a practical position to both rapidly and legally deprive them of those rights; whether there is good cause for their resistance to common sense or not, it exists -- and it exists among a much more diverse group than you seem willing to admit; and our leaders are not taking all possible steps to eliminate that resistance. I'm mad too, but if you think being mad and name calling will do anything to change that reality, you're wrong -- but I hope you feel better.

For my part, I hope our leaders take all steps within their legal authority to get your "bottom-feeding", "moron[ic]", "selfish wimperers" over the hump and into the vaccinated camp. There is plenty of room for both more carrot and stick to be applied within the bounds of the law. Full FDA approval would help the defense against legal challenges (another inevitable reality we can't name-call away), and I hope it comes quickly.

As far as the Revolution, or the 1950s, or whatever -- it's a different time. For a very long time now, we've chosen to identify ourselves by our differences (sexual orientation, race, politics, gender, religion, etc.) to the exclusion of our commonalities (American, and the responsibilities of being free). Root-causing that is an entirely different thread topic.

[Snaketoz]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

I'm middle of the road.  To the right, I'm left. To the left, I'm right.  I'm for what is best for the country, not what's in it for me.  I grew up in a time of the draft-I volunteered.  We had TB, polio, chickenpox, mumps, and measles-things that ruined lives and killed.  We lined-up got our shots and stopped all of them.  Now we have a different mindset.  There is no draft, most people don't have to worry about polio, TB, or the others.  They have no sense of honor to do what is right.  They don't know what it is to pitch in.  Greedy, self centered, unaware of history.  I refuse to be kind to these cretins.  They are the draft dodgers, deserters, and misanthropes of my generation.  If only they were the only ones effected by their actions...

Hmmm... you are starting to sound like a Reagan republican...lol...

[Snaketoz]

We can blame the supposed inability of reaching herd immunity on selfish ego-maniacs, right wingers, evangelical morons, and the needle shy wimperers.  You can say whatever, but that is the truth.  Had everyone rolled-up their sleeves early on and got the vaccine, we wouldn't have the conversation we have now.  Quit talking about these sensitive whiners' right to choose, and think of it as stopping a pandemic.  Where would we be now had we had this sort of wimpy thinking back in Colonial America?  Would we have patriots to dump the tea in Boston Harbor and a militia to stop the red coats?  I think not.  This not me, I'm special, attitude is why it maybe too late.  We are rotting from the inside out.  I wouldn't want to trust our rights and freedoms with any of these anti vaxers no matter what their excuse.  Narrow minded wussies.  Shameful.

So we basically agree that everyone should be vaccinated, more mitigation measures should be put in place, and the politicization of the pandemic is a betrayal of public office, right? 

I just don't see the point of relitigating this issue as if we're starting from a blank slate, because it won't change a thing. The unfortunate reality before us is the combination of the following: people have rights, even to do (or not do) things detrimental to themselves and society; we are not in a practical position to both rapidly and legally deprive them of those rights; whether there is good cause for their resistance to common sense or not, it exists -- and it exists among a much more diverse group than you seem willing to admit; and our leaders are not taking all possible steps to eliminate that resistance. I'm mad too, but if you think being mad and name calling will do anything to change that reality, you're wrong -- but I hope you feel better.

For my part, I hope our leaders take all steps within their legal authority to get your "bottom-feeding", "moron[ic]", "selfish wimperers" over the hump and into the vaccinated camp. There is plenty of room for both more carrot and stick to be applied within the bounds of the law. Full FDA approval would help the defense against legal challenges (another inevitable reality we can't name-call away), and I hope it comes quickly.

As far as the Revolution, or the 1950s, or whatever -- it's a different time. For a very long time now, we've chosen to identify ourselves by our differences (sexual orientation, race, politics, gender, religion, etc.) to the exclusion of our commonalities (American, and the responsibilities of being free). Root-causing that is an entirely different thread topic.

My carrot and stick would be no vacccine, no entry to public places, airlines, travel, etc.  Maybe a big A to be worn in public that means Asshole.

[Snaketoz]

As far as time changing as to the Revolution and the 50s- All I can say is we still believe in right to bear arms, but we now have a standing, professional military.  Fads change, the fact that we come to the aid of our country doesn't.  What was done successfully in the 50s shouldn't be discounted because it's old.  I'll always believe that what works never goes out of style.  We're not talking about bell bottoms, and 8 tracks. 

[Lunican]

DCPS case count for the first 5 days of school.

Day 1:   2
Day 2:   6
Day 3:   18
Day 4:   41
Day 5:   222

[Charles Hunter]

Is this cumulative, or new cases each day?