COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[BridgeTroll]

The Southern border story is BS. 

So the illegals crossing over ARE vaccinated? WTF??? Who knew?

[bl8jaxnative]

Maybe the same people in Mexico that are disappearing the 13 year old girls for the sex businesses are setting up vaccination centers on the migration routes, eh?    Pretty thoughtful of them as they were already lending out young children to people crossing the border.    ;-)

[MusicMan]

Excellent fact based reporting here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/06/why-we-can-be-confident-that-surge-coronavirus-cases-isnt-fault-immigrants/

Not only details the issue but illustrates the pathetic laziness of the Fox News-Ted Cruz Show. Much easier to repeat a talking point than to actually research an answer.


From the article: " Part of the reason that immigrants are being targeted as vectors for the spread of the coronavirus is that public health experts are identifying a more obvious cause: a lack of vaccinations. Since opposition to vaccination overlaps with opposition to preventive measures like wearing masks — and since wearing masks has been politicized by Republican elected officials as an infringement on personal freedom — there's a motivation to find some other scapegoat for the surge in cases. There's a reason the unvaccinated were a lot more likely to blame "foreign travelers" than the unvaccinated for the surge.

And there's a reason that Ted Cruz and Sean Hannity did the same. It's much easier for them to say that the increase is a function of immigrants than it is to blame Republican voters and Fox News viewers. But it's obviously not true."

[BridgeTroll]

Excellent fact based reporting here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/06/why-we-can-be-confident-that-surge-coronavirus-cases-isnt-fault-immigrants/

Not only details the issue but illustrates the pathetic laziness of the Fox News-Ted Cruz Show. Much easier to repeat a talking point than to actually research an answer.


From the article: " Part of the reason that immigrants are being targeted as vectors for the spread of the coronavirus is that public health experts are identifying a more obvious cause: a lack of vaccinations. Since opposition to vaccination overlaps with opposition to preventive measures like wearing masks — and since wearing masks has been politicized by Republican elected officials as an infringement on personal freedom — there's a motivation to find some other scapegoat for the surge in cases. There's a reason the unvaccinated were a lot more likely to blame "foreign travelers" than the unvaccinated for the surge.

And there's a reason that Ted Cruz and Sean Hannity did the same. It's much easier for them to say that the increase is a function of immigrants than it is to blame Republican voters and Fox News viewers. But it's obviously not true."

I don't think NBC is Fox or affiliated with Hannity or Cruz... this article has actual facts... not "fact based".... you found one article that fits your meme... President Biden knows better...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244

WASHINGTON — More than 18 percent of migrant families and 20 percent of unaccompanied minors who recently crossed the U.S. border tested positive for Covid on leaving Border Patrol custody over the past two to three weeks, according to a document prepared this week for a Thursday briefing with President Joe Biden.

[jaxoNOLE]

Blaming our current COVID surge on immigrants as a significant cause is nonsense. Acting like illegal immigration from a country less privileged than ours (re: less accessible healthcare) has nothing to do with spreading COVID is also nonsense.

Our country's response to COVID has been lacking since day 1, and both parties have shameful examples of putting politics over their constituents' lives. Instead of condemning it in total, "we the people" have fallen into the old refrain of whataboutism and finger pointing,  which only reinforces party entrenchment. DeSantis is one member of a larger hall of shame that knows no party. If DJT ever got anything right, it was "drain the swamp." Great message, bad messenger.

I'd like to think we have the capacity to call out multiple failures of leadership in parallel. We'll be better for it.

[BridgeTroll]

Blaming our current COVID surge on immigrants as a significant cause is nonsense. Acting like illegal immigration from a country less privileged than ours (re: less accessible healthcare) has nothing to do with spreading COVID is also nonsense.

Our country's response to COVID has been lacking since day 1, and both parties have shameful examples of putting politics over their constituents' lives. Instead of condemning it in total, "we the people" have fallen into the old refrain of whataboutism and finger pointing,  which only reinforces party entrenchment. DeSantis is one member of a larger hall of shame that knows no party. If DJT ever got anything right, it was "drain the swamp." Great message, bad messenger.

I'd like to think we have the capacity to call out multiple failures of leadership in parallel. We'll be better for it.

First... I  am certainly not "blaming" the current surge on illegal immigration. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of some here and the Biden administration in their criticism of Florida policy. Additionally...last year... Canada closed their border with the US in response to our infection rates... why hasn't the  same thing been done on our border? Of course we all know the answer... we lost border control decades ago. 20% of illegals in custody test positive for Covid. You can safely assume the same number applies to those not caught.

I  agree with the premise that political posturing from both parties and constituents reinforces partisanship. It was one of the reasons I quit my former party...

[vicupstate]

Does the Wall street journal count as right wing talking points?  Probably yes in your world but...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/border-covid-illegal-undocumented-immigration-testing-biden-harris-11628023571

The WSJ isn't 'right wing talking points' in the same way the Huffington Post isn't the 'liberal media'.

How about NBC?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244

the 18% matches Florida right now (and lower than Jax) - perhaps we should all be deported too?

Well that's just silly. The contention is that Desantis isn't doing "everything " he can to protect the public. While that criticism might be fair it is also true that the President isn't doing "everything " he can either. We all know politics come into play for virtually all decisions at the executive level...

Canada closed the borders with the US... not sure why the border with Mexico cannot be closed...

Are you aware of the standard of living in Canada vs. Mexico?

DeSantis is not JUST 'not doing everything he can', he is ACTIVELY and DELIBERATELY making the situation worse, which is clearly evidenced by the fact that FL has the highest levels of Covid in the country.  You certainly cannot say that about Biden, and as has already been pointed out, he has less power to enact a mask or vaccine mandate.

Hmm... seems like a double standard to me. Biden makes a political policy decision to favor his voters but when desantis does the same he is vilified. Not surprised... just sayin...

Actually the double standard is advocating for a nation-wide response from the Federal government, with absolutely no precedence, while claiming to support limited Federal powers and localized governing.

DeSantis is WAY, WAY out on a limb and you realize it can't be defended, so you are pointing fingers elsewhere.

Meanwhile, DeSantis rakes in the cash as his reputation for Trump-like behavior grows.

   https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/08/10/desantis-rakes-in-cash-as-floridas-covid-wars-rage-1389785

[BridgeTroll]

DeSantis has made a political calculation and so has Biden... each panders to his own.  Seems the democrats are a bit unnerved by a possible DeSantis run... DeSantis vs Harris....

[MusicMan]

I think the DSantis vs Trump Republican primaries would be fun......

[JPalmer]

I think Desantis has a real chance to overtake Trump nationally, which he still has to do. Speaking from experience, even the most vocal Trump supporters in FLA will tell you they are supporting Desantis moving forward.  I think Desantis v Trump will be the GOP contenders, not sure about any other wild cards.

[MusicMan]

Trump lost popular vote twice, impeached twice, and lost the House and the Senate, yet is still considered the leader of the Republican Party.
I think that says a lot about the Republican Party.  The days of reasonable Republicans like Romney and McCain are dead......?

[jaxoNOLE]

Blaming our current COVID surge on immigrants as a significant cause is nonsense. Acting like illegal immigration from a country less privileged than ours (re: less accessible healthcare) has nothing to do with spreading COVID is also nonsense.

Our country's response to COVID has been lacking since day 1, and both parties have shameful examples of putting politics over their constituents' lives. Instead of condemning it in total, "we the people" have fallen into the old refrain of whataboutism and finger pointing,  which only reinforces party entrenchment. DeSantis is one member of a larger hall of shame that knows no party. If DJT ever got anything right, it was "drain the swamp." Great message, bad messenger.

I'd like to think we have the capacity to call out multiple failures of leadership in parallel. We'll be better for it.

First... I  am certainly not "blaming" the current surge on illegal immigration. I am pointing out the hypocrisy of some here and the Biden administration in their criticism of Florida policy. Additionally...last year... Canada closed their border with the US in response to our infection rates... why hasn't the  same thing been done on our border? Of course we all know the answer... we lost border control decades ago. 20% of illegals in custody test positive for Covid. You can safely assume the same number applies to those not caught.

I  agree with the premise that political posturing from both parties and constituents reinforces partisanship. It was one of the reasons I quit my former party...

Understood -- I didn't intend to attribute the causation argument to you, but there are many on the right who are mightily insinuating it if not outright saying it. My point was broader in the sense that the GOP is using the border as their boogeyman to avoid talking about how poorly deep red southern states are faring with COVID, and Democrats are piling on the likes of DeSantis as their boogeyman to avoid addressing some of their own issues. The end result of that whataboutism is always that the shortcomings on both sides never get addressed because the other side is always the one with the REAL issue.

[tufsu1]

DeSantis has made a political calculation and so has Biden... each panders to his own.  Seems the democrats are a bit unnerved by a possible DeSantis run... DeSantis vs Harris....

Yes....I am quite unnerved by the guy who was asked about a state request for ventilators yesterday and stumbled big-time in answering

[BridgeTroll]

Trump lost popular vote twice, impeached twice, and lost the House and the Senate, yet is still considered the leader of the Republican Party.
I think that says a lot about the Republican Party.  The days of reasonable Republicans like Romney and McCain are dead......?

I left what is now the republican party... I am not part of the current maga bs or this new version of "conservatism"  Not sure where I belong because neither party in their current configuration or platform appeals to me...

There is a lot of frustration in our current situation resulting in finger pointing at government officials... I believe fingers need to be pointed at our fellow citizens...  get your shots,  wear your masks, and keep your distance...

[bl8jaxnative]

DeSantis has made a political calculation and so has Biden... each panders to his own.  Seems the democrats are a bit unnerved by a possible DeSantis run... DeSantis vs Harris....

Yes....I am quite unnerved by the guy who was asked about a state request for ventilators yesterday and stumbled big-time in answering

If someone stumbling big-time actually unnerved you, you'd have a nervous break down just mentioning Jeriatric Joe.