McCoys Creek restoration project now underway

Started by Tacachale, August 04, 2021, 11:14:34 AM

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Construction on the long anticipated McCoys Creek restoration and Emerald Trail is now underway.


Read more: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/mccoys-creek-restoration-project-now-underway/
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acme54321

#1
I didn't realize that they were going to close McCoys Creek Blvd for this.  Looks like a good start to the whole thing. 

Are they going to completely dredge the creek and remove the toxic sludge or just remove retaining walls to let it naturally meander more?

jaxlongtimer

This project should be transformative for the whole McCoy's Creek area and even more so once it incorporates the Emerald Trail.  This is a project that the City is doing that I wholeheartedly endorse!

Quote from: acme54321 on August 04, 2021, 11:24:52 AM
I didn't realize that they were going to close McCoys Creek Blvd for this.  Looks like a good start to the whole thing. 

Are they going to completely dredge the creek and remove the toxic sludge or just remove retaining walls to let it naturally meander more?

I believe this is a full restoration so they will clean out the creek bottom and bring it back to a natural state with a few exceptions such as under the CSX and I-95 bridges and the Times Union Building where its not feasible to do so.  However, in the case of the latter, I understand they plan to widen the creek as much as the property owners can tolerate and "sunshine" it when the building above is ultimately removed.

acme54321

This could be a huge asset to the area, can't wait to watch it happen.  It could really be transformative for the North Riverside / Mixontown area.

thelakelander

The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.
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Florida Power And Light

Quote from: thelakelander on August 07, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.

Ha!....

Don't worry, I ain't gonna move from Avondale Impaired Waterway to Downtown.
About five years ago I knew the last time I would ever paddle under the Times Union building should be...... well..... about then.

jaxlongtimer

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Quote from: thelakelander on August 07, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.

Lake, curious... what policies could be used to keep it from being gentrified?  I gather rising property values are at the root of the "problem" so how does one put a lid on them and also insure that low income persons can compete, no matter the price.

I am guessing that building incentivized housing that must cater to low income residents is one way.  But, that may not be feasible as property values rise so much that developers and the City can't come to terms.  Housing subsidies might be another but in a hot real estate market I don't know how they could ever keep up.  Is there such a thing as zoning districts restricted to low income housing?  Would that pass a legal test?

Florida Power And Light

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Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 07, 2021, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 07, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.

Lake, curious... what policies could be used to keep it from being gentrified?  I gather rising property values are at the root of the "problem" so how does one put a lid on them and also insure that low income persons can compete, no matter the price.

I am guessing that building incentivized housing that must cater to low income residents is one way.  But, that may not be feasible as property values rise so much that developers and the City can't come to terms.  Housing subsidies might be another but in a hot real estate market I don't know how they could ever keep up.  Is their such a thing as zoning districts restricted to low income housing?  Would that pass a legal test?

Hilarious.
Relax. Jacksonville projected to become majority non white.
A shift may press on current residents.
No matter what the color or Net Income of Downtown Waterway Residents, the creek natural system improvements will be for broad benefit.
And if for some reason the Downtown Trail momentum came to a screeching halt, the River System and " Neighborhood " would bumble along just fine.

marcuscnelson

Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 07, 2021, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 07, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.

Lake, curious... what policies could be used to keep it from being gentrified?  I gather rising property values are at the root of the "problem" so how does one put a lid on them and also insure that low income persons can compete, no matter the price.

I am guessing that building incentivized housing that must cater to low income residents is one way.  But, that may not be feasible as property values rise so much that developers and the City can't come to terms.  Housing subsidies might be another but in a hot real estate market I don't know how they could ever keep up.  Is their such a thing as zoning districts restricted to low income housing?  Would that pass a legal test?

St. Johns County is doing something like that. I'd argue that the area's general development practices, plus the likelihood of that new development being in car-centric middle of nowhere means it's unlikely to be all that useful, but to their credit they've done something.
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Zac T

Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 07, 2021, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 07, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.

Lake, curious... what policies could be used to keep it from being gentrified?  I gather rising property values are at the root of the "problem" so how does one put a lid on them and also insure that low income persons can compete, no matter the price.

I am guessing that building incentivized housing that must cater to low income residents is one way.  But, that may not be feasible as property values rise so much that developers and the City can't come to terms.  Housing subsidies might be another but in a hot real estate market I don't know how they could ever keep up.  Is there such a thing as zoning districts restricted to low income housing?  Would that pass a legal test?

I think one solution would be to relax zoning restrictions to allow the development of denser housing. 85% of housing in Mixon Town are in structures with 4 units or less and once this project is finished, there's nothing to stop the rapid appreciation in price of these units as the demand for housing picks up in the area. The city should provide incentives and tax credits to developers who incorporate affordable and workforce housing in their projects.

Reynoldstown in Atlanta is an example of a neighborhood similar to Mixon Town that rapidly gentrified after the Beltline opened. Now they're working reactively to try and stop the same thing from happening in other neighborhoods. Hopefully we can be proactive in addressing this before it's too late.

thelakelander

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Quote from: jaxlongtimer on August 07, 2021, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 07, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
The main negative is the threat of gentrification. It's already occurring and there's nothing in place from a local policy perspective to stop it.

Lake, curious... what policies could be used to keep it from being gentrified?  I gather rising property values are at the root of the "problem" so how does one put a lid on them and also insure that low income persons can compete, no matter the price.

I am guessing that building incentivized housing that must cater to low income residents is one way.  But, that may not be feasible as property values rise so much that developers and the City can't come to terms.  Housing subsidies might be another but in a hot real estate market I don't know how they could ever keep up.  Is there such a thing as zoning districts restricted to low income housing?  Would that pass a legal test?

Limiting displacement and loss of history means implementing several tools to address several issues. For example, I had a Mixontown resident call me last week. They were upset that several properties had recently been purchased and razed and wanted to know what they could do to stop this. Well, although the neighborhood is just as old and historically significant as Springfield and Riverside, it isn't protected legally. As the trail system develops, if this situation largely spearheaded by real estate investors isn't address, it will become the next Brooklyn in another decade or so. Basically being largely leveled with small lots being assembled into larger properties that then become Brooklyn Stations, 220 Riversides, Brooklyn Riversides, Vista Brooklyns, etc. So being proactive and designating sites individually as local landmarks or the entire neighborhood as a historic district (local or national register.....depending on what the neighborhood goals are), would be a form of policy change that helps protect historic sense of place and character by making it difficult for that type of development pattern to gain steam.

If there is an area where new development and infill is desired, perhaps there's a need to allow for greater density on these sites, in order to help protect older built out areas.

If housing affordability and ownership are major concerns, one tool to better address the issue would be rezoning the area to implement policies that support the development of affordable housing. These could include limiting maximum lot size, making it easier for missing middle multifamily,  or eliminating off-street parking requirements. Other tools could include forms of property tax abatement, land banking, tackling issues around heirs property, etc.

If a major goal is to stimulate local business development on commercial corridors, becoming a part of the Florida Main Street program could be an appropriate proactive response. I could go on and on, but if the community can be progressive and open minded, there are several things that can be implemented simultaneously to limit long term displacement while revitalization occurs.
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jaxlongtimer

^ Ennis, thanks for the insights.  All good info.  Unfortunately, I don't know if Jax is up to the task given its "free market" attitude to development.

thelakelander

There's a push in the Eastside to do many of these things. They aren't waiting for city hall to lead. So far, the city and many others seem willing to partner and help. Hopefully, their work can be a good model for additional neighborhoods.
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Charles Hunter

Interesting proposals, Lake, especially limiting parcel size to prevent consolidating many small parcels into mega-parcels.

I confess to watching more than one of the renovation shows on HGTV, and the theme of some of them is to renovate run-down homes and sell them to people moving into the neighborhood at higher values to start (or encourage) a chain reaction of more value-increasing renovations, in which they participate. The most notable example of this is "Good Bones" from Indianapolis, where the show's protagonists work in inner-ring neighborhoods. In every episode I've seen, they purchase properties that have been vacant (abandon) for some time, so they aren't directly displacing anyone. But, I wonder how the increasing property values affect long-time residents, especially renters.

I understand the adverse effect if rents go up and renters are forced out because they cannot afford the new rents. I am less clear on how it is 'bad' if a long-term home-owner in one of these neighborhoods sees an opportunity to make a profit and achieve their suburban dream (or whatever it is).  Of course, this also contributes to the rising property values that can squeeze out less affluent renters. But, I don't know how this form of gentrification can be stopped by legislation.

itsfantastic1

How does one reconcile an attempt at increased density while preserving the nature of an area, especially if the area is single family homes? Doesn't preserving character via a historic designation artificially restrict the supply of homes and lead to an inevitable increase in value, especially as community improvements aimed at improving the area are completed?

How can we do both?