COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[BridgeTroll]

Sooo... he is a politician??  Thanks!

[jaxoNOLE]

DeSantis talks out of both sides of his yap. He is slowly realizing he is on the wrong side of reality and is waffling. He won't govern on the one side, and prohibits local government to do so on the other.  As with Trump, he is positioning himself to shed blame when lockdowns and shutdowns occur.  What is disturbing is that we have a large segment of our population who find this OK.  Science should trump politics.

This seems pretty on-point, and is far more likely to be DeSantis' motivation for most of his decisions than some insidiously intentional racist plot (as was implied about his anti-riot bill--which I agreed was bad policy) or a Goebbels-and -Nazis comparison  (where any inference has to conjure thoughts of the holocaust, contextually). It's certainly not a desirable trait, and as we're seeing with COVID, that mindset of calloused political calculation has real consequences. But pointing out that some of the accusations being levied are a bit dramatic and that more reasonable, likely explanations exist shouldn't be misconstrued as bending over backwards to defend anyone. It also doesn't mean those more reasonable explanations justify his policy.

As it pertains to DeSantis' response to COVID, a national public health crisis is probably one of the few legitimate justifications for the government to infringe on freedoms we otherwise have.  If anything, agreeing to that is what would make me "not as libertarian as I think I am". The hypocrisy of banning vaccine passports in the name of freedom is simply ridiculous.

[Snaketoz]

DeSantis talks out of both sides of his yap. He is slowly realizing he is on the wrong side of reality and is waffling. He won't govern on the one side, and prohibits local government to do so on the other.  As with Trump, he is positioning himself to shed blame when lockdowns and shutdowns occur.  What is disturbing is that we have a large segment of our population who find this OK.  Science should trump politics.

This seems pretty on-point, and is far more likely to be DeSantis' motivation for most of his decisions than some insidiously intentional racist plot (as was implied about his anti-riot bill--which I agreed was bad policy) or a Goebbels-and -Nazis comparison  (where any inference has to conjure thoughts of the holocaust, contextually). It's certainly not a desirable trait, and as we're seeing with COVID, that mindset of calloused political calculation has real consequences. But pointing out that some of the accusations being levied are a bit dramatic and that more reasonable, likely explanations exist shouldn't be misconstrued as bending over backwards to defend anyone. It also doesn't mean those more reasonable explanations justify his policy.

As it pertains to DeSantis' response to COVID, a national public health crisis is probably one of the few legitimate justifications for the government to infringe on freedoms we otherwise have.  If anything, agreeing to that is what would make me "not as libertarian as I think I am". The hypocrisy of banning vaccine passports in the name of freedom is simply ridiculous.

As in, "solutions are not the answer".

[vicupstate]

https://www.axios.com/florida-records-most-new-covid-cases-0a9d2dad-420f-4374-8b55-b970fb5f0873.html

Florida reported 21,683 new COVID-19 cases — the most in the state in a single day since the pandemic began, Axios reports.

[MusicMan]

"Yeah... if the man had any balls he would have canceled Green Day, closed Disney and other theme parks, closed bars and restaurants etc... lead or get out of the way...lol"

If the response to this pandemic had been exclusively led by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis we'd probably have 5 million dead and counting. 

I think everyone forgets how pathetically sad DJT (and by acclimation, his buddy DeSantis)  response was, but if you need a reminder here it is:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-trump-comments/timeline-in-his-own-words-trump-and-the-coronavirus-idUSKBN26N0U5

Trump and his presidency were the greatest national disaster to ever befall this country. And here we are over a year and half later, and guys like DeSantis are still taking their cues from him. That's why we are the world epicenter of this shit. All of the thoughtful, rational, and science based responses came from out side of the Oval Office. And a lot of it was shamed by folks like Trump and DeSantis.

[BridgeTroll]

Just a few examples of attitudes a few months ago...  NYC locked and closed EVERYTHING and DeSantis was originally pilloried by mainstream news... he held the line and Florida came out ahead of those other states... none of you would ever vote for the man anyway so no huge surprise or loss that you suddenly disapprove now...

So far, I have changed my opinion on DeSantis.  I think he is doing fine. 

IMO DeSantis is doing pretty well. We're a very populous state and a lot of factors are at play, on top of how much this situation has evolved in just a few months. Yes, the state should have moved with more urgency, but there are a lot of tough decisions here no one ever wants to have to make. Overall, I think he's risen to it.

Looks at these jackasses.  SJC beached closed now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616

Ridiculous. This is one area DeSantis really needs to step it up and quit leaving decisions to local governments.

I'm pretty effing certain I can figure out on my own what businesses are "essential" and which ones are  not.

This is the scariest part of this BS.  Hope YOUR business is not on the list.....   Boy Jeff Bezos (and the NRA) gotta be loving this.

Taking a poll: a liquor store IS or IS NOT essential?

[JeffreyS]

 No suddenly with my disapproval. I can understand wanting businesses to be able to operate but not going with the state wide mask mandate is unforgivable.  The simplest and easiest way to mitigate the loss of life and he blocks it. He disparages those who promote vaccines and advise caution. He tries to spin it as personal choice but you can't drill a hole under just your seat on the boat.

[Tacachale]

Lol, "suddenly?" Those comments are from March and April 2020 when the pandemic took hold in the US. At that time DeSantis was implementing shutdowns and local governments were requiring mask and social distancing mandates. He was listening to the CDC. Now, DeSantis pretends he never shut anything down, sells anti-Fauci merchandise, and has stripped the powers of local governments who are the reason Florida didn't have a worse disaster before Nobody turned on him "suddenly," he shat the bed, and now we're all paying for it.

[Snaketoz]

BT,  Because I agreed with DeSantis once, when he stepped-up and actually did something sensible, does not mean I can't disagree with him now.  Don't you think your research and post is a bit of a waste of time?  Are you sure you haven't ever changed your mind on any changing situation?  I agreed with DeSantis because he changed his mind from opposing measures recommended by the healthcare experts to taking their advice.  Simple as that.

[BridgeTroll]

No one... not one of you... want to go back to the full on quarantine again.   Get vaccinated... wear a mask and social distance...  You really need Ron DeSantis to tell you that?  Gimme a break. We all know what to do... the ones who dont believe it or refuse to comply will not regardless of a toothless mandate... even during the mandatory masking people who refused simply did their business regardless... you gonna arrest people??  Give me mandates with real consequences and I'm onboard... otherwise... utterly meaningless.

[JeffreyS]

I will agree it has to be an enforceable mandate.  Who was as it that didn't allow enforcement of mask
Mandates in the state again? Why you carry the water for him I don't understand. Reminds me of when Bernie Sanders pointed out that under the Cuban government people were literate so what that government sucks.

[BridgeTroll]

I will agree it has to be an enforceable mandate.  Who was as it that didn't allow enforcement of mask
Mandates in the state again? Why you carry the water for him I don't understand. Reminds me of when Bernie Sanders pointed out that under the Cuban government people were literate so what that government sucks.

MY point... was that even when there was a mandate... it is unenforceable and probably unconstitutional...

[Snaketoz]

No one... not one of you... want to go back to the full on quarantine again.   Get vaccinated... wear a mask and social distance...  You really need Ron DeSantis to tell you that?  Gimme a break. We all know what to do... the ones who dont believe it or refuse to comply will not regardless of a toothless mandate... even during the mandatory masking people who refused simply did their business regardless... you gonna arrest people??  Give me mandates with real consequences and I'm onboard... otherwise... utterly meaningless.

I don't want to go back on quarantine.  I don't want businesses closed, schools shut down.  That is why I want mandatory vaccinations.  Mandatory facemasks.  Is it that difficult for you to understand what people are trying to tell you?  Had we gone the mandatory route, we wouldn't be going through this all over again.  I don't like a lot of taxes, but they are mandatory.  If you go the route DeSantis is going, we will have perpetual pandemics.  I'm tired of it.  You are never going to get 70% of the population to agree with anything.  Not even on this forum.  The antivaxers and feet draggers are going against what is good for the country.  Have Covid passports, require all healthcare providers vaccinated, do whatever to get folks to do what is required.  Want to enter a bar? Show your passport. Want to shop, enter a work place indoors, visit a doctor, be a member of the military, renew your driver's license, show your proof of vaccination.  GET THE VACCINE!

[jaxlongtimer]

I will agree it has to be an enforceable mandate.  Who was as it that didn't allow enforcement of mask
Mandates in the state again? Why you carry the water for him I don't understand. Reminds me of when Bernie Sanders pointed out that under the Cuban government people were literate so what that government sucks.

MY point... was that even when there was a mandate... it is unenforceable and probably unconstitutional...

BT, I am beginning to think the real purpose of your posts is to live up to the "troll" segment in your name.  I not sure I believe that you believe much of what you post because you seem smarter than those posts would otherwise indicate.  I hope you can fess up to just pulling our chains for your pleasure, not because you think DeSantis is some kind of saint re: COVID in Florida. 

[BridgeTroll]

Nope... not a troll. Name one governor requiring vaccination... not even the president can require vaccination except the armed forces... do you people seriously want to arrest people for not wearing masks??  Arrest for not vaccinating???  The Publix manager is going to have people arrested? The bartender fined because a patron took off the mask?

Wow.... c'mon folks chill. We are all frustrated with the situation but what you seem to be suggesting is simply outrageous