COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[Adam White]

Yeah... the popular meme that the unvaccinated are uneducated right wingers is only partially correct...  according to the Bloomberg numbers only the American Asians seem to be mostly on board with vaccination...

I think we tend to simplify things and adopt a narrative that suits us. While I would agree that (in my opinion) those who are refusing vaccines are doing us a disservice, it's not just their "fault" that the virus is spreading. And I personally don't think demonisation is going to get decent results!


Edit: and one thing I forgot to mention earlier is that last week or so, 60% of hospital admissions in England were non-vaccinated people. So, by extension, 40% had at least one jab.

[WarDamJagFan]

Yeah... the popular meme that the unvaccinated are uneducated right wingers is only partially correct...  according to the Bloomberg numbers only the American Asians seem to be mostly on board with vaccination...

I think we tend to simplify things and adopt a narrative that suits us. While I would agree that (in my opinion) those who are refusing vaccines are doing us a disservice, it's not just their "fault" that the virus is spreading. And I personally don't think demonisation is going to get decent results!


Edit: and one thing I forgot to mention earlier is that last week or so, 60% of hospital admissions in England were non-vaccinated people. So, by extension, 40% had at least one jab.

Would have to agree with you there. The hyper-demonization of those who choose to not get vaccinated is a pretty sad spectacle to watch. As someone who is young, constantly outdoors, triathlon-ready fitness level, has healthy eating habits, does not bar hop on the weekends and rarely gets sick because I have an immune system that works, I've decided at this point to still hold off on getting the vaccine. Covid does not pose a risk to me statistically speaking. But for some odd reason, this now automatically puts me into the bucket of "Anti-Vaxxer" and someone who doesn't care if Grandma dies given the overall sentiment of this message board and similar outlets.

My wife - who works in CT at Baptist - is vaccinated. Most people I know are vaccinated, and honestly probably should be. If the vaccines are as effective as we are told, then there shouldn't be this apocalyptic level of panic from those who are vax'd towards those who are not. If you are a 300 pound diabetic and refuse the vaccine then ok, good luck. Sure, there will always be anecdotal stories of someone in my category who gets the 'rona and ends up in the hospital. It's still evident at this point though that it's not the norm.

Additionally, there's never been a better time for health officials to actually start pounding the podium about the need for people to start taking better care of their own health. 'Rona has ravaged the obese and those who's immune systems are already compromised. For some odd reason, that topic still is nowhere to be seen in the news. It's simply, stay away from everyone and get your shot. Because nothing makes life more enjoyable than perpetual isolation.

[BridgeTroll]

I wish you luck because luck will be required as your current health condition is no protection against an airborne virus... additionally... death isn't the only long term outcome after infection. Your unvaccinated status can make you an asymptomatic carrier and one who causes viral mutations...

Society thanks you...

[Adam White]

Yeah... the popular meme that the unvaccinated are uneducated right wingers is only partially correct...  according to the Bloomberg numbers only the American Asians seem to be mostly on board with vaccination...

I think we tend to simplify things and adopt a narrative that suits us. While I would agree that (in my opinion) those who are refusing vaccines are doing us a disservice, it's not just their "fault" that the virus is spreading. And I personally don't think demonisation is going to get decent results!


Edit: and one thing I forgot to mention earlier is that last week or so, 60% of hospital admissions in England were non-vaccinated people. So, by extension, 40% had at least one jab.

Would have to agree with you there. The hyper-demonization of those who choose to not get vaccinated is a pretty sad spectacle to watch. As someone who is young, constantly outdoors, triathlon-ready fitness level, has healthy eating habits, does not bar hop on the weekends and rarely gets sick because I have an immune system that works, I've decided at this point to still hold off on getting the vaccine. Covid does not pose a risk to me statistically speaking. But for some odd reason, this now automatically puts me into the bucket of "Anti-Vaxxer" and someone who doesn't care if Grandma dies given the overall sentiment of this message board and similar outlets.

My wife - who works in CT at Baptist - is vaccinated. Most people I know are vaccinated, and honestly probably should be. If the vaccines are as effective as we are told, then there shouldn't be this apocalyptic level of panic from those who are vax'd towards those who are not. If you are a 300 pound diabetic and refuse the vaccine then ok, good luck. Sure, there will always be anecdotal stories of someone in my category who gets the 'rona and ends up in the hospital. It's still evident at this point though that it's not the norm.

Additionally, there's never been a better time for health officials to actually start pounding the podium about the need for people to start taking better care of their own health. 'Rona has ravaged the obese and those who's immune systems are already compromised. For some odd reason, that topic still is nowhere to be seen in the news. It's simply, stay away from everyone and get your shot. Because nothing makes life more enjoyable than perpetual isolation.

I see what you're saying. But I would counter that being vaccinated is about contributing to society developing herd immunity. We need to all get vaccinated (if we can) to protect those who either can't get vaccinated or are more likely to become seriously ill (and possibly die) in spite of being vaccinated.

[Tacachale]

IMO it's time to pull out the stops to get the fence sitters vaccinated. For some it'll take sympathy, for others shaming, and for others leaders they trust telling them to do it. And for those who won't, they need to be kept out of key areas (air travel, military, healthcare, etc.)

[WarDamJagFan]

IMO it's time to pull out the stops to get the fence sitters vaccinated. For some it'll take sympathy, for others shaming, and for others leaders they trust telling them to do it. And for those who won't, they need to be kept out of key areas (air travel, military, healthcare, etc.)

I can tell you shaming will only make a lot of folks dig their heels in further. Now for my own sake, my heels aren't dug in. If my wife ever were to come home from Baptist one day and ask me to get the shot, I would and she knows that. It hasn't gotten to that point yet and she's been in the thick of it since this whole thing started.

There's a slippery slope when it comes to mandates as we just witnessed this past year with the shutdowns. I do not trust a government who tells me I can't live my day-to-day unless I take a vaccine from companies who's board members are former government health officials (looking at you Pfizer) and who's product is immune from liability.  It hasn't gotten to that point yet but there seems to be a lot of people advocating for just that. Be careful for the power you wish others to have.

These are simply my own opinions and positions I wanted to bring to the echo chamber of those who clearly have a different point of view.

[Tacachale]

Anyone who flies has to abide by the mask mandate. Anyone joining the military has to get all sorts of other vaccinations. Mandating the COVID vaccine to do either of those things would just be another step for those things. There doesn't need to be much trust, beyond trusting the government's ability to not let you fly or join the military.

[WarDamJagFan]

My concern is more of a national mandate vs something more micro like a Military mandate. Granted, if I joined the military now I'd be more worried about being forced to fight in a war we have no business being in than getting a jab.

[BridgeTroll]

My concern is more of a national mandate vs something more micro like a Military mandate. Granted, if I joined the military now I'd be more worried about being forced to fight in a war we have no business being in than getting a jab.

Makes me wonder what other important vaccinations do you not have... I  also do not trust government officials... in fact one of the previous posters in another thread insinuated that my support for a DeSantis legislation was akin to approval of authoritarianism...

The difference here is the vaccine proven safe and effective. To deny that is to deny reality...

[WarDamJagFan]

My concern is more of a national mandate vs something more micro like a Military mandate. Granted, if I joined the military now I'd be more worried about being forced to fight in a war we have no business being in than getting a jab.

Makes me wonder what other important vaccinations do you not have... I  also do not trust government officials... in fact one of the previous posters in another thread insinuated that my support for a DeSantis legislation was akin to approval of authoritarianism...

The difference here is the vaccine proven safe and effective. To deny that is to deny reality...

Well if you must know I've had the flu shot once in the last decade. Along with a shot for TB? Can't remember exactly. And in case there was any doubt, I do not think the Covid vaccines are dangerous. Granted, it did make the wife quite ill after her 2nd round.

But the whole DeSantis thing... sounds similar to a lot of "conversations" had with vaccines and Covid as the topic. It's completely tribal. No actual discussion or discourse is to be had. Simply lob your bombs and be done with it. It's been pleasantly cordial so far on this thread since my original post this morning. Can't say it's been the same in other places.

[bl8jaxnative]

sters in another thread insinuated that my support for a DeSantis legislation was akin to approval of authoritarianism...

The difference here is the vaccine proven safe and effective. To deny that is to deny reality...

So far the 3 vaccinations in the US w/ FDA emergency approval over all appear to be relatively safe and effective.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Lunican]

Washington (CNN) The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is expected to recommend everyone in K-12 schools wear a mask, regardless of their vaccination status, as it update its masking guidelines on Tuesday, according to an administration health official.

The CDC is also urging vaccinated people in certain areas of the country to resume wearing masks because of Covid-19.

People in areas with high or substantial Covid-19 transmission should resume wearing masks, the CDC is expected to say, according to sources familiar with the announcement. Nearly two-thirds of US counties have high or substantial transmission of Covid-19, according to CDC data; 46% of counties have high transmission and 17% have substantial transmission. CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky is expected to announce the decision at a 3 p.m. ET briefing on Tuesday.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/politics/cdc-mask-guidance/index.html

[bl8jaxnative]

I wish you luck because luck will be required as your current health condition is no protection against an airborne virus... additionally... death isn't the only long term outcome after infection. Your unvaccinated status can make you an asymptomatic carrier and one who causes viral mutations...

Society thanks you...

Vaccinating everyone regardless of risk creates the risk for mutations and at that mutations that the vaccinations do not work on. 

It is roughly akin to everyone running around taking antibiotics.   


Nature's a bitch.  She's got her ways.

[Lunican]

I wish you luck because luck will be required as your current health condition is no protection against an airborne virus... additionally... death isn't the only long term outcome after infection. Your unvaccinated status can make you an asymptomatic carrier and one who causes viral mutations...

Society thanks you...

Vaccinating everyone regardless of risk creates the risk for mutations and at that mutations that the vaccinations do not work on. 

It is roughly akin to everyone running around taking antibiotics.   


Nature's a bitch.  She's got her ways.

This is incorrect. Vaccinating half the population is the best way to get a vaccine resistant mutation.

[BridgeTroll]

I wish you luck because luck will be required as your current health condition is no protection against an airborne virus... additionally... death isn't the only long term outcome after infection. Your unvaccinated status can make you an asymptomatic carrier and one who causes viral mutations...

Society thanks you...

Vaccinating everyone regardless of risk creates the risk for mutations and at that mutations that the vaccinations do not work on. 

It is roughly akin to everyone running around taking antibiotics.   


Nature's a bitch.  She's got her ways.

Please provide your source. You are grossly incorrect...

Nature's a bitch... so is Darwin...  https://darwinawards.com/