Khan, Jaguars expect Lot J development to begin early 2020

[thelakelander]

No, the DIA and Council have not approved the pending agreement yet and there's no chance Lot J will start construction before March 31.

[Peter Griffin]

The ramps were supposed to come down immediately after the last game with Lot J construction starting before March 31.  A

Where are you getting this from?

[Kerry]

The ramps were supposed to come down immediately after the last game with Lot J construction starting before March 31.  A

Where are you getting this from?

That was the timeline the Jags gave.

[fieldafm]

The ramps were supposed to come down immediately after the last game with Lot J construction starting before March 31.  A

Where are you getting this from?

That was the timeline the Jags gave.

I've literally never seen that date from anyone at COJ or the Jaguars (two parties who are not shy on pumping up Khan's future investments for the better part of 10 years), and I went back and looked at every press release provided over the past year.

Neither the DIA nor City Council has approved (nor has even officially discussed) an economic development agreement for the Lot J proposal.

[Kerry]

The ramps were supposed to come down immediately after the last game with Lot J construction starting before March 31.  A

Where are you getting this from?

That was the timeline the Jags gave.

I've literally never seen that date from anyone at COJ or the Jaguars, and I went back and looked at every press release provided over the past year.

Neither the DIA nor City Council has approved (nor has even officially discussed) an economic development agreement for the Lot J proposal.

How many quotes from articles do you need/want?

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/whats-next-for-lot-j-the-jaguars-dollar500-million-development-proposal

Lamping said at the State of the Franchise last week and Curry reiterated Tuesday that the ramp demolition will begin after the Jaguars regular season ends Dec. 29, with possible delays if the team hosts a postseason playoff game.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/shad-khan-jaguars-expect-lot-j-development-to-begin-in-early-2020/77-79913bc0-8d25-4950-aade-7f820bd27ae2

Jaguars owner Shad Khan and president Mark Lamping told the Times-Union on Saturday they expect to get approval for the development of Lot J by January and anticipate ground-breaking to begin by the end of the 2020 first quarter.

[Peter Griffin]

After the last game, not IMMEDIATELY after ad you claimed.

ANTICIPATE GROUNDBREAKING which is not a commitment to a particular date.

You're extrapolating unduly

[Kerry]

After the last game, not IMMEDIATELY after ad you claimed.

ANTICIPATE GROUNDBREAKING which is not a commitment to a particular date.

You're extrapolating unduly

Holy crap dude - there was only 5 days between the Jags last game and the first playoff game.  How "immediately after" is immediate to you?

Both Lamping and Curry said the removal would start after the Jags last game (Dec 29th) and if the Jags made the playoffs it would delay the start.  The first playoff game the Jags could have been in was Jan 4th.  There are 5 days in between those two, so clearly they meant construction would start within 5 days of the last game.

[Papa33]

Hypothetically, what would need to happen (realistically) in order for this city's investment in Lot J to be "worth it"?  500 residents in that area? A Super Bowl 10-15 years after its built?  A higher profile for the Gator Bowl?  A Fortune 500 company moving in?  Trickle down development down Bay Street and A Philip Randolph?

[fieldafm]

The ramps were supposed to come down immediately after the last game with Lot J construction starting before March 31.  A

Where are you getting this from?

That was the timeline the Jags gave.

I've literally never seen that date from anyone at COJ or the Jaguars, and I went back and looked at every press release provided over the past year.

Neither the DIA nor City Council has approved (nor has even officially discussed) an economic development agreement for the Lot J proposal.

How many quotes from articles do you need/want?

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/whats-next-for-lot-j-the-jaguars-dollar500-million-development-proposal

Lamping said at the State of the Franchise last week and Curry reiterated Tuesday that the ramp demolition will begin after the Jaguars regular season ends Dec. 29, with possible delays if the team hosts a postseason playoff game.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/sports/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/shad-khan-jaguars-expect-lot-j-development-to-begin-in-early-2020/77-79913bc0-8d25-4950-aade-7f820bd27ae2

Jaguars owner Shad Khan and president Mark Lamping told the Times-Union on Saturday they expect to get approval for the development of Lot J by January and anticipate ground-breaking to begin by the end of the 2020 first quarter.

One of those links doesn't even reference the first quarter of 2020 and only the FCN article is the only news source (including Jaguars.com, WJCT, Action News, News4Jax, Jacksonville.com and WOKV) that references tepid 'expectations' and 'anticipations' of the end of 2020 Q1... but, ok.

[Peter Griffin]

There are 5 days in between those two, so clearly they meant construction would start within 5 days of the last game.

I don't read this anywhere in the links you've posted, and think that's a ridiculous thing to pull out of the article.

I don't even get what your point is, man, do you think the project has been canceled? You must be smokin' some good stuff, dude, you're reading thing in articles that aren't even there.

[Kerry]

There are 5 days in between those two, so clearly they meant construction would start within 5 days of the last game.

I don't read this anywhere in the links you've posted, and think that's a ridiculous thing to pull out of the article.

I don't even get what your point is, man, do you think the project has been canceled? You must be smokin' some good stuff, dude, you're reading thing in articles that aren't even there.

Seriously?  This to you doesn't mean between the last game and first playoff game?

Lamping said at the State of the Franchise last week and Curry reiterated Tuesday that the ramp demolition will begin after the Jaguars regular season ends Dec. 29, with possible delays if the team hosts a postseason playoff game.

As for your second comment, do I think it has been canceled?  Yes I do.  As I have said many times I think the whole thing was based on the JEA headquarters selection and sale providing the City's funding portion and that process is now under a federal investigation.  I think the whole thing got canceled as soon as JEA didn't pick Lot J.

[Peter Griffin]

"the ramp demolition will begin after the Jaguars regular season ends Dec. 29"

after...Dec. 29

that's it!

The project hasn't begun, it isn't canceled. You're seeing ghosts

[Kerry]

"the ramp demolition will begin after the Jaguars regular season ends Dec. 29"

after...Dec. 29

that's it!

The project hasn't begun, it isn't canceled. You're seeing ghosts

",with possible delays if the team hosts a postseason playoff game."

The first playoff game the Jags could have hosted was the Wildcard game on Jan 4th.  The last possible date would have been Jan 12th if the Jags had won the division - so I guess you could make the argument that there was a 2-week window for construction to start.

Alas, I don't think it is cancel because construction hasn't started.  I think it is canceled because there is no funding.  My prediction - 2020 will be their last season in Jax (unless the NFL give the Jags a 2nd London game).

[Peter Griffin]

I don't think any reasonable person would make that argument, nor would they think that the statements you reference indicate that the construction would have started. A postseason could delay the start of construction, but that does not mean that it happens so immediately after the game that the ONLY thing delaying construction is a postseason game, nor that it is hinging on the final game to end and the parking lot to clear to immediately start breaking ground.

You've found an "immediately" somewhere in your head and pasted it into the articles as you read that simply. isn't. there.

And if you think that this was hinged on JEA, again, I think you're coming up with this stuff off the top of your head or connecting dots on a corkboard with strings.



None of the claims you've been harping on the last couple of days are substantiated or based in reality.

[Captain Zissou]

I can't find the link, but I remember a Jags employee named Pepe Sylvia saying construction would begin by January 10th and that would be a worst case scenario.