TU: Springfield is Surging

[itsfantastic1]

How do we balance things like increasing density in a historic area where people want to live? Seems like once Springfield is "full" of the single family developments that any denser multi-family development will begin to affect the surrounding areas; thereby pushing out the long term, poorer residents who would stand to benefit from some of the services brought in by higher density?

[Bill Hoff]

How do we balance things like increasing density in a historic area where people want to live? Seems like once Springfield is "full" of the single family developments that any denser multi-family development will begin to affect the surrounding areas; thereby pushing out the long term, poorer residents who would stand to benefit from some of the services brought in by higher density?

Springfield probably has another decade of relatively healthy development conditions until it would be "full". Lots & lots of vacant and underutilized land & properties that are waiting to be developed - much of it being sat on or slow played because of its owners priorities.

[FlaBoy]

How do we balance things like increasing density in a historic area where people want to live? Seems like once Springfield is "full" of the single family developments that any denser multi-family development will begin to affect the surrounding areas; thereby pushing out the long term, poorer residents who would stand to benefit from some of the services brought in by higher density?

Long term, it would be nice to see some of the large vacant lots down Main Street could be multi-family apartments with retail below. There is plenty of property south of 7th to add some really cool development if the market could ever bare it there. The school district, for example, has no interest long term in the Mattie V property. The Catlin's property has no historically significant buildings and, long term, would be great for multi-family similar to what you see a block up.

[MusicMan]

I have spoken to local developers about building the mutli family you are describing. I want to be a part of it. But the folks building in San Marco and around the Town Center are a long way from building in Springfield. The local RE Brokers are all for it. But convincing a developer like Catalyst Development Partners (who I pitched it too) is an uphill climb. They are not there.................yet. 

[Kiva]

Long term, it would be nice to see some of the large vacant lots down Main Street could be multi-family apartments with retail below. There is plenty of property south of 7th to add some really cool development if the market could ever bare it there. The school district, for example, has no interest long term in the Mattie V property.

Do you know how many students are typically at Mattie V Rutherford on a typical day? I've heard that it is relatively few.

[vicupstate]

Everybody still remembers the Roller Coaster ride that Springfield took in the early 2000's from which it still has not recovered. If you can get in cheap, it makes sense, but I would not pay a premium myself. Another thing is that the city destroyed so many houses that could have been renovated. Now you can only build new on those lots, which is more expensive.     

[Kerry]

When I moved to Jax in 2003 Springfield was the next up and coming place to live.  16 years later it is still the next up and coming place to live.  It is like watching molasses flow in winter.

[Tacachale]

When I moved to Jax in 2003 Springfield was the next up and coming place to live.  16 years later it is still the next up and coming place to live.  It is like watching molasses flow in winter.

There may have been some sort of recession in there somewhere my dude.

[Pottsburg]

Everyone knows the recession really did a number on Springfield.  I think it could have been a lot worse, had some of the wrong people bought up the foreclosures and vacant lots. IMO it really didn't regress, it just had zero to nominal growth for a while, I lived down there for over 12 years, but had to move to south Florida for work.  I'm finally back and just waiting for the right place to come available. I'm a little concerned about the future of the economy but its really not panic time until people start losing their jobs.  Another recession could be disastrous for Springfield.  We will see.

[Kerry]

When I moved to Jax in 2003 Springfield was the next up and coming place to live.  16 years later it is still the next up and coming place to live.  It is like watching molasses flow in winter.

There may have been some sort of recession in there somewhere my dude.

The Great Recession lasted 2 years (2007 to 2009).  I suspect the slow crawl has other contributing factors since the rest of Jacksonville continues to grow at a pretty good rate.

[acme54321]

Home prices aren't just the only thing on the rise!

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2019/11/21/police-investigate-2nd-shooting-in-springfield-in-2-days/

[Steve]

When I moved to Jax in 2003 Springfield was the next up and coming place to live.  16 years later it is still the next up and coming place to live.  It is like watching molasses flow in winter.

There may have been some sort of recession in there somewhere my dude.

The Great Recession lasted 2 years (2007 to 2009).  I suspect the slow crawl has other contributing factors since the rest of Jacksonville continues to grow at a pretty good rate.

I'm not going to get into the causes of Springfield's rapid or slow growth, but if you HONESTLY want people to believe that the effects of the Great Recession were only in that 3 year period, then holy hell broski.

I finally unloaded the condo I bought in 2004.....8 months ago.

Now you're probably going to say some bullcrap like, "I didn't say the effects weren't there," but your point is a giant Chiquita Truck sized load of bananas.

Man, I found myself agreeing with a few of your recent posts. Thanks for returning me back to earth.

[Bill Hoff]

Home prices aren't just the only thing on the rise!

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2019/11/21/police-investigate-2nd-shooting-in-springfield-in-2-days/

Surge or is this The Purge?

8th Street: the street that revitalization & gentrification forgot.

There are five very specific spots that still host chronic criminal activity, and three of them are adjacent to 8th Street, including these two incidents.

[Jomar]

Out of curiosity, do you see much of a police presence near the hotspots? Well, I mean prior to things like shootings.Not that I don't appreciate frequently walking by a cruiser parked on River Road, but wonder if the resources could be used elsewhere.

It's pretty common to see a JSO cruiser parked catty-corner to the convenience store at 8th/Liberty, which is the worst offender.  I don't usually see much near the 8th/Hubbard or 1st/Liberty stores, which are the other two hot spots.