The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Charles Hunter]

Yeah, I saw that. If there were even half-serious talk of bringing Kap, the servers of the local sports sites would melt down with all the vitriol.

[MusicMan]

If Minshew goes down......

[pierre]

No discussion of either Eli Manning or Colin Kaepernick as possible Jags QB?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001053412/article/giants-should-try-to-ship-eli-to-jags-but-jags-should-sign-kap

Eli Manning is terrible and has a 12 million dollar base salary.

You are better off with Minshew.

[Kerry]

Yeah, I saw that. If there were even half-serious talk of bringing Kap, the servers of the local sports sites would melt down with all the vitriol.

That would essentially kill Lot J funding.  I doubt it would hurt ticket sales though.  If you're still one of the few going to games you would probably okay with anyone joining the team if they could deliver a win.

[Ken_FSU]

Come on, Doug.

Let the legend throw the ball on the last play.

[Ken_FSU]

It's like Babe Ruth's manager telling him to bunt.

[Ken_FSU]

Like if there's 5 second left in Game 7, and Phil Jackson tells MJ to throw a bounce pass to Jud Buechler.

[MusicMan]

I wish they had let the Minshew do a RPO on that 2 PT conversion. Running Fournette was flat out a mistake.

But we also had the momentum, so my gut tells me the Jags would have won if it had been an overtime game.....

[thelakelander]

They had the momentum. Take the easy kick to tie and ride momentum into overtime.

[Steve]

I was fine going with it. I think Marrone was thinking (though I haven't heard his statement on going for 2) that the offense had the Texans D on their heels. If you went for the PAT and Overtime it would give the Texans D, which controlled the Jags most of the game, a moment to catch a breath and regroup.

Now the play call was stupid (I know it's easy to say that since it didn't work but it's true). Fournette's running was inconsistent all game (the O-line had an up and down game IMO), and on the last two drives moved on Minshew's arm. Let the kid win it.

Now...the 2 yard line can be a tough place to throw the ball. My feeling is this: if you weren't comfortable with the kid throwing it in that situation, then yes, Kick the PAT.

[itsfantastic1]

They had the momentum. Take the easy kick to tie and ride momentum into overtime.

I think the options to go for 2 was fine. As you said; they had the momentum, so why prolong the game? Especially when OT may give the ball back to Watson and you play on Thursday which gives your team a 3 day turn-around. What I highly disagree with was the play call due to the result of that play call. Fournette has found nothing up the middle all game and the OL wasn't creating space; so after your QB & WRs (which notably opened up some Fournette runs) lead you on 2 drives that ended in 9 points, you go up the middle...

[thelakelander]

As you said; they had the momentum, so why prolong the game?

Why? To give your team a better chance to win. 2 point conversions are 50/50 and even with momentum, unless you're averaging something like 5 yards a carry (Jags don't have a reliable run game and the OL is questionable), it will be extremely difficult to run it in. Throwing can be difficult too (especially with a rookie QB) since the field shrinks that close to the goal line, giving the defense an advantage.

So I side with always taking the higher percentage points until you're forced into situations that say otherwise. You go for two in that situation when you're completely mismatched talent wise. That wasn't the case and Watson wasn't going up and down the field, so if the defense is the team strength, you have to trust them in OT, as well as Lambo's leg.

Anyway, what's your take on the Ramsey sideline outburst? Not reviewing that play did result in 3 points for Houston. However, by the same token if Ramsey doesn't drop that INT later in the game, it's likely a pick six.

[Papa33]

I think Ramsey felt disrespected that he was not listed to.

[wanderson91]

I think if your star CB is begging you to challenge a call, you trust him and challenge the call. And when he's justifiably upset that oyu didn't listen, you let him vent, you don't go get in his face and continues yelling. You have staff that will calm him down; as a head coach, you can't get caught up in a screaming match with a player.

[Steve]

Anyway, what's your take on the Ramsey sideline outburst? Not reviewing that play did result in 3 points for Houston. However, by the same token if Ramsey doesn't drop that INT later in the game, it's likely a pick six.

I think Ramsey showed a little emotional immaturity. I get he's frustrated - he's a competitor and he's up against one of the best receivers in the league. But, I think unlike the 2 Point call (which can be debated), I think Marrone absolutely got this right:

- It was a 3 yard catch. Yes, it was 3rd and 2 and got the first down, but it's not like this thing flipped the field.
- It was the first quarter.
- It didn't put them in field goal range.
- (Here's the key): I didn't see a clear cut camera angle that offered indisputable evidence that Ramsey was correct. Given the movement of the ball it's certainly plausible he was right. But, to challenge a play that you can't (quickly) find indisputable evidence on given the above three bullets, you don't challenge it.

If let's say it was a 50 yard catch that flipped the field in the 3rd quarter of a close game, maybe even with that camera angle you throw the challenge flag and hope for the best as that could be a game changing play. This was not.

Bottom line....coaches coach and players play. Even if the video evidence was indisputable that Hopkins dropped the ball, it's not on Ramsey to challenge. Yes, while it would show on the stat sheet that Ramsey gave up that catch, and let's say for a second it led to the only points of the game and the Texans won 3-0.  Nobody would question Ramsey or his abilities because of that play. That would be on Marrone. Do your job.

Speaking of do your job.....see "Dropped Pick Six, Ramsey." You have to make that catch.