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Jaguars New Stadium?

Started by Bill Hoff, January 10, 2019, 09:41:56 AM

downtownbrown

Quote from: Tacachale on January 15, 2019, 10:29:12 AM
Quote from: Kerry on January 15, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
More home games
Less seats
Cheaper tickets
Smaller stadium requirements
Easier to find corporate sponsors
Better international presence
Better TV exposure for the City

And that is just off the top of my head.

The Magic being 2 hours away is meaningless.  The Mavs cried foul when the Thunder moved (2.5 hours away).  The NBA can function successfully with a smaller fan base which is why in several cities the NBA is the only game in town.

Portland
OKC
Sacramento
Salt Lake City
San Antonio
Memphis
Orlando

Anyhow, the NBA isn't coming to Jax.  Mayor Brown looked into it and the answer was No.

*Jacksonville has a long history of football
*Jacksonville has no history of supporting basketball

Artis Gilmore would disagree.

Steve

Quote from: downtownbrown on January 16, 2019, 02:55:58 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on January 15, 2019, 10:29:12 AM
Quote from: Kerry on January 15, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
More home games
Less seats
Cheaper tickets
Smaller stadium requirements
Easier to find corporate sponsors
Better international presence
Better TV exposure for the City

And that is just off the top of my head.

The Magic being 2 hours away is meaningless.  The Mavs cried foul when the Thunder moved (2.5 hours away).  The NBA can function successfully with a smaller fan base which is why in several cities the NBA is the only game in town.

Portland
OKC
Sacramento
Salt Lake City
San Antonio
Memphis
Orlando

Anyhow, the NBA isn't coming to Jax.  Mayor Brown looked into it and the answer was No.

*Jacksonville has a long history of football
*Jacksonville has no history of supporting basketball

Artis Gilmore would disagree.

A Cinderella run though the NCAA tournament in 1970 for JU hardly qualifies as sustained support.

Jagsdrew

Agree with Steve. JU used to play at the JVMA for 4-5 years but they couldn't sustain a decent crowd so they went back to Swisher on campus.  JU said the reason wasn't attendance but rather the desire to have more on-campus events. I think they took a hard look at operating costs and questioned why they were playing in 15,000 seat arena when they only drew 700+. Definitely playing in a church built for Easter Sunday.

Both UNF and JU have always averaged <1,000 attendees with the exclusion of a few outlier successful seasons. And even in those good times your in the 1,500 range for attendance. Not much of an impact.

The Jacksonville market is a way better draw for football than basketball.

Twitter: @Jagsdrew

Tacachale

Quote from: Jagsdrew on January 16, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
Agree with Steve. JU used to play at the JVMA for 4-5 years but they couldn't sustain a decent crowd so they went back to Swisher on campus.  JU said the reason wasn't attendance but rather the desire to have more on-campus events. I think they took a hard look at operating costs and questioned why they were playing in 15,000 seat arena when they only drew 700+. Definitely playing in a church built for Easter Sunday.

Both UNF and JU have always averaged <1,000 attendees with the exclusion of a few outlier successful seasons. And even in those good times your in the 1,500 range for attendance. Not much of an impact.

The Jacksonville market is a way better draw for football than basketball.



UNF's average is higher than that, but your point is correct.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

Kerry

#94
There are a million places in Jax to build a new stadium.  The actual footprint of the stadium really isn't that large.  I vote for Northern St Johns County or Yulledinaville.
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marcuscnelson

Quote from: Kerry on January 17, 2019, 07:57:53 PM
There are a million places in Jax to build a new stadium.  The actual footprint of the stadium really isn't that large.  I vote for Northern St Johns County or Yulledinaville.

Northern St. Johns County here.

We have people calling for petitions and complaints about trying to build an apartment complex that might include rooms people can actually afford. The largest things we approve are schools and suburbs, and people here are trying to kill the latter.

If you think anyone's nuts enough to even think about that here, then I'd dare them to try.
So, to the young people fighting in this movement for change, here is my charge: march in the streets, protest, run for school committee or city council or the state legislature. And win. - Ed Markey

Adam White

Quote from: Kerry on January 17, 2019, 07:57:53 PM
There are a million places in Jax to build a new stadium.  The actual footprint of the stadium really isn't that large.  I vote for Northern St Johns County or Yulledinaville.

Sorry, I've got to ask:

Yulledinaville?
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

thelakelander

I assume he's talking about between the River City Marketplace area, Yulee and Fernandina Beach.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

JBTripper

Quote from: Jagsdrew on January 16, 2019, 03:30:22 PM
Agree with Steve. JU used to play at the JVMA for 4-5 years but they couldn't sustain a decent crowd so they went back to Swisher on campus.  JU said the reason wasn't attendance but rather the desire to have more on-campus events. I think they took a hard look at operating costs and questioned why they were playing in 15,000 seat arena when they only drew 700+. Definitely playing in a church built for Easter Sunday.

Both UNF and JU have always averaged <1,000 attendees with the exclusion of a few outlier successful seasons. And even in those good times your in the 1,500 range for attendance. Not much of an impact.

The Jacksonville market is a way better draw for football than basketball.

Jacksonville's football legacy includes a neutral-site rivalry football game between SEC blue-bloods, a college bowl game that has always featured big name schools from major conferences, and the NFL. You really can't compare Jacksonville's support of Florida-Georgia, the Gator Bowl and the Jags to Jacksonville's support of A-Sun basketball.

They didn't put the Magic in Orlando because of the tremendous support for Stetson Hatter hoops.

Kerry

Quote from: thelakelander on January 18, 2019, 05:57:02 AM
I assume he's talking about between the River City Marketplace area, Yulee and Fernandina Beach.

Yep.  That is what the real estate agents are calling the area between Pecan Park and A1A east of 95.
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Lostwave

Quote from: Kerry on January 17, 2019, 07:57:53 PM
There are a million places in Jax to build a new stadium.  The actual footprint of the stadium really isn't that large.  I vote for Northern St Johns County or Yulledinaville.

Do you think the Jags are going to invest all this money around the stadium/lot J/Shipyards just to ask to have a new one built in Yulee?  I don't think so.  This stadium will be renovated...

Adam White

Quote from: Kerry on January 18, 2019, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 18, 2019, 05:57:02 AM
I assume he's talking about between the River City Marketplace area, Yulee and Fernandina Beach.

Yep.  That is what the real estate agents are calling the area between Pecan Park and A1A east of 95.

Interesting. Apparently Google hasn't heard of it yet. I can't think of a time I ever Googled something and came back with absolutely zero results. I guess once their web crawlers get around to this thread, it will cease being a pseudo-Googlewhack.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

thelakelander

^I've never heard of it until this thread.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

MusicMan

Keep it where it is, but please find a way to connect the Skyway to it!  Love to get on that thing on Sunday and ride it to the stadium.
Then home (or anywhere within a few blocks).

KenFSU

Glenn, any thoughts on where a new stadium should be?