San Marco Publix Site Plan and Renderings

[MusicMan]

I think the guys who wrote the contract 10 years ago should be 'committed.'

[I-10east]

San Marco Publix = Fuddruckers at the Landing.

[Bativac]

Still committed. Will 2019 be the year Publix finally breaks ground?

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-mathis-report-east-san-marco-is-still-moving-forward

I am visiting Jax for the first time in a couple years next week! Any signs at all of any kind of progress on the site?....

[thelakelander]

No. Nothing has changed. Since the residential part is now out, they'll likely have to modify zoning again on the property before any dirt is turned on the site.

[realestatejax]

It really isn't surprising that this has taken so long since the residential component was removed.  You have the changes to the zoning that need to be addressed and all of the corresponding approvals with the City.  Additionally, the deal has changed which will require them to renegotiate their whole agreement with Publix.   When dealing with Publix I would expect at least four to six months to negotiate terms, another few months to get their committee approval, and another four to six months to get a lease negotiated and signed. 
These things take time...

[thelakelander]

^Bingo. I don't think most people realize what goes into these projects and how long that takes before things actually break ground.

[Kerry]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

[Charles Hunter]

Has the rezoning been done, yet - or even started?

[fieldafm]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

And yet, about two dozen new grocery stores opened in Jax in the last two years.

Maybe it's not a 'Jax thing' and more like a 'site thing'?  Or maybe it's Shad Khan's fault? 

[realestatejax]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

Gate was putting that project together for years.  Then it took Gatlin another few years to get to where they are at today.  Remember this is just the 1st phase of the overall project.  There is still a long way to go. 
The new Publix that is going in across the street from Durbin Pavillion has been in the works for at least three years and they still haven't broken ground.  Again this stuff takes a LONG TIME!

[Tacachale]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

Gate was putting that project together for years.  Then it took Gatlin another few years to get to where they are at today.  Remember this is just the 1st phase of the overall project.  There is still a long way to go. 
The new Publix that is going in across the street from Durbin Pavillion has been in the works for at least three years and they still haven't broken ground.  Again this stuff takes a LONG TIME!

The baseless inferiority complex is definitely a Jax thing.

[fieldafm]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

Gate was putting that project together for years.  Then it took Gatlin another few years to get to where they are at today.  Remember this is just the 1st phase of the overall project.  There is still a long way to go. 
The new Publix that is going in across the street from Durbin Pavillion has been in the works for at least three years and they still haven't broken ground.  Again this stuff takes a LONG TIME!

Not that Kerry has any time for such trivial matters as facts.... because Shad Khan, Jacksonville sucks, developers suck, people here are all talk no action and Oklahoma City is glorious... but Durbin Park is a 30 year development that was entitled in 2015. Gaitlin's involvement first began in 2016 to develop phase 1 of the project.

For background, Gate has owned the land since 2004.

In 2011, the company successfully lobbied the Governor's office to enact legislation to dub the property an 'urban services area', which meant it would not have to follow the DRI entitlement process (which would have forced them to pay for millions more in infrastructure).

Before that, the company successfully lobbied legislators to build and fund Florida 9B beginning in 2005 along with an interchange at County Road 2209 in order to open up this land to development. The recession halted funding, but more money was miraculously found again in 2010.

So, yes.... a grocery store popped up in Northern St Johns County last year.... but it took 14 years, over $200 million in highway construction and millions more in bond money to build supporting infrastructure in order for all that to happen.

In other words, a perfect apples to apples comparison of the San Marco Publix.

[Kerry]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

And yet, about two dozen new grocery stores opened in Jax in the last two years.

Maybe it's not a 'Jax thing' and more like a 'site thing'?  Or maybe it's Shad Khan's fault?

Well there definately seems to be some sort of inverse relationship between the distance from City Hall and time to complete.  Suburban stuff in Jax seems to be conceived, propsed, and executed pretty fast.  Urban stuff - the exact opposite.

[Tacachale]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

And yet, about two dozen new grocery stores opened in Jax in the last two years.

Maybe it's not a 'Jax thing' and more like a 'site thing'?  Or maybe it's Shad Khan's fault?

Well there definately seems to be some sort of inverse relationship between the distance from City Hall and time to complete.  Suburban stuff in Jax seems to be conceived, propsed, and executed pretty fast.  Urban stuff - the exact opposite.

https://catalogofbias.org/biases/observer-bias/

[vicupstate]

I think the time delay is a Jax thing.  Gate has planned, broken ground, and opened a 1000 acre development in St Johns County while San Marco waits for a grocery store.

Gate was putting that project together for years.  Then it took Gatlin another few years to get to where they are at today.  Remember this is just the 1st phase of the overall project.  There is still a long way to go. 
The new Publix that is going in across the street from Durbin Pavillion has been in the works for at least three years and they still haven't broken ground.  Again this stuff takes a LONG TIME!

Not that Kerry has any time for such trivial matters as facts.... because Shad Khan, Jacksonville sucks, developers suck, people here are all talk no action and Oklahoma City is glorious... but Durbin Park is a 30 year development that was entitled in 2015. Gaitlin's involvement first began in 2016 to develop phase 1 of the project.

For background, Gate has owned the land since 2004.

In 2011, the company successfully lobbied the Governor's office to enact legislation to dub the property an 'urban services area', which meant it would not have to follow the DRI entitlement process (which would have forced them to pay for millions more in infrastructure).

Before that, the company successfully lobbied legislators to build and fund Florida 9B beginning in 2005 along with an interchange at County Road 2209 in order to open up this land to development. The recession halted funding, but more money was miraculously found again in 2010.

So, yes.... a grocery store popped up in Northern St Johns County last year.... but it took 14 years, over $200 million in highway construction and millions more in bond money to build supporting infrastructure in order for all that to happen.

In other words, a perfect apples to apples comparison of the San Marco Publix.

I don't see this as Apples to Apples. When Gate bought the property is not relevant, IMO. There was no ability to put a grocery store on the Gate property until the infrastructure was in place.  There was the ability to build a grocery store in San Marco as soon as the zoning was changed to allow it.

Further still, the best Apple to Apple version is when the intentions to build were announced vs. when the store actually opened.