The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

Wacca Pilatka

No argument with either of the above comments about how it's not a given that the Jags will get back, that other areas need upgrades, and that the schedule is harder.

I'd just rather we spend $19 million on an average quarterback and have more of a pot for upgrades at guard, receiving tight end, and wideout rather than $30 million on a slightly above average quarterback. 


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Henry J. Klutho

Wacca Pilatka

^ I think you're right that multiyear offer is the best approach, and what I expect the Jaguars will try to do. 

If we can get Blake restructured at 4/$60m with the ability to walk away without penalty after two, I think that'd be optimal.

And apologies for not tipping my hat at your good humor before...like I said, every day is making me more irrationally strident in my defense of this guy.  First noticed it in December when a buddy was visiting Jacksonville for a game with me and on the third day of the trip he said "You LIKE Blake???" in a horrified tone.
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JaxAvondale

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on February 01, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
^ I think you're right that multiyear offer is the best approach, and what I expect the Jaguars will try to do. 

If we can get Blake restructured at 4/$60m with the ability to walk away without penalty after two, I think that'd be optimal.

And apologies for not tipping my hat at your good humor before...like I said, every day is making me more irrationally strident in my defense of this guy.  First noticed it in December when a buddy was visiting Jacksonville for a game with me and on the third day of the trip he said "You LIKE Blake???" in a horrified tone.


BB wouldn't signed an extension for 4/$60m. The Jags should learn from the Cousins debacle and provide a fair market extension that is guaranteed for 3 or 4 years.

ProjectMaximus

^It only takes one team. But yeah I agree with ya it's hard to see anyone outbidding that number and in such a case I'm sure BB's preference is to stay in Jax with the same environment, same system, and same defense he has here. Plus those beach bars...

BridgeTroll

Quote from: sanmarcomatt on February 02, 2018, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: JaxAvondale on February 01, 2018, 08:47:30 PM

BB wouldn't signed an extension for 4/$60m. The Jags should learn from the Cousins debacle and provide a fair market extension that is guaranteed for 3 or 4 years.


So, out of curiosity, who is this scary competition for Blake in free agency and what type of offers are people imagining?

I think Gabbert is available...
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JaxAvondale

Quote from: sanmarcomatt on February 02, 2018, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: JaxAvondale on February 01, 2018, 08:47:30 PM

BB wouldn't signed an extension for 4/$60m. The Jags should learn from the Cousins debacle and provide a fair market extension that is guaranteed for 3 or 4 years.


So, out of curiosity, who is this scary competition for Blake in free agency and what type of offers are people imagining?


It is not about competition in free agent. Signing an extension is smart for salary cap purposes. If Blake has another good season this season then the franchise tag would be 25-26 million for 2019. So, it is smarter to lock up now in order to be more nimble from a cap perspective.

Wacca Pilatka

Boselli apparently did not get voted in to the Hall today
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MusicMan

#9142
Is it true that our team lost to BOTH the New York Jets and the San Fransisco 49ers this past season?

If we had won those 2 would we have had home field throughout the playoffs?

(Oh yeah, and the Blaine Gabbert led Arizona Cardinals.)

That's something to think about in the offseason.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: MusicMan on February 04, 2018, 10:08:15 AM
Is it true that our team lost to BOTH the New York Jets and the San Fransisco 49ers this past season?

If we had won those 2 would we have had home field throughout the playoffs?

(Oh yeah, and the Blaine Gabbert led Arizona Cardinals.)

That's something to think about in the offseason.

It's funny you picked 3 games that someone other than Blake Bortles played a much bigger part in our loss. 

You want them to blow up the defense in the offseason because a few games?

Oh that's right... I forget you don't actually watch the games.

That's something you should think about this offseason.

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MusicMan

I've been a season ticket holder for 8 years.  This is the first year it was worth the money.

You know why the Patriots are so good?  I'll tell you.

They don't sit around and crow about how great they are.  They try to improve even though they haven't had a Top 5 draft pick like the Jags have had for how many years in a row(?)  I'm hoping the team improves.  Our fanbase is happy. That's great. You improve by figuring out why you lost to inferior teams, and trying to prevent that next season. That's the point I'm making. Don't want to see us lose to inferior teams next year. 

The question I asked:  "If we had won those 2 would we have had home field throughout the playoffs?"




Wacca Pilatka

#9145
^ No, because we'd have been 12-4 and the Patriots and Steelers each went 13-3.

Though if we'd won those two games and home field still had been on the line, I'm sure we'd have approached the finale against Tennessee differently too.
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Wacca Pilatka

I understand what MM is saying in that we do not want to see the team be complacent in its success (though I think that's highly unlikely under the present leadership).  By comparison, think of the 2011 Jaguars, who were 5th or 6th in the league in defensive yards allowed, and did play well at times, but had a deficient pass rush, little depth, and an epically bad passing offense (meaning that teams were sitting on leads and killing the clock rather than accumulating more yards in the second half).  That offseason, the Jaguars invested in offense only and I recall one interview where leadership essentially said "the defense is already set based on last year's performance."  Unsurprisingly, the defense fell to the lower half of the league in 2012.
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Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on February 04, 2018, 01:18:34 PM
I understand what MM is saying in that we do not want to see the team be complacent in its success (though I think that's highly unlikely under the present leadership).  By comparison, think of the 2011 Jaguars, who were 5th or 6th in the league in defensive yards allowed, and did play well at times, but had a deficient pass rush, little depth, and an epically bad passing offense (meaning that teams were sitting on leads and killing the clock rather than accumulating more yards in the second half).  That offseason, the Jaguars invested in offense only and I recall one interview where leadership essentially said "the defense is already set based on last year's performance."  Unsurprisingly, the defense fell to the lower half of the league in 2012.

That possible. 

His history of pushing the narrative for a certain QB whom he thinks is out of the league for politics instead of his last 1-9 season leads me to believe your explanation wasn't the intention at all.  Also why I pointed out that the 3 games mentioned were not the fault of BB5.
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Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: MusicMan on February 04, 2018, 01:06:49 PM
You know why the Patriots are so good?

Let me stop you there...

Bill Belichick is a football historian whose dad (literally) wrote the book on scouting.  And that pedigree seems to have given him a leg up on hiring assistant coaches as well. 

Tom Brady is probably the best QB most of us will ever see play the game.

Without those 2 together, I don't see the Patriots being any more than possibly a slightly above average team. 

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Elwood

Dead wrong on Jags playing easiest schedule. With all games played with the exception of today, the season strength of schedule ranks have the Jaguars at 25th. Your mighty Patriots? 29th......