The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

Gators312

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on January 31, 2018, 02:41:52 PM
I'd rather spend mid-level pay for Blake and invest in a better offensive line than throw every available cent at a guy like Cousins.

EXACTLY! 


ProjectMaximus

I agree with the posts above. I actually wanted Alex Smith but $23.5M/year for 4 years? Nah thanks. Kirk Cousins will be more expensive than that? Hell no.

The only alternative I'd like to see to BB5 is Drew Brees. Won't happen but just saying. Pete Prisco suggested we should give it a shot, offer him $25M a year for 2 or 3 years. Considering the current contracts, I'd say $25M would be a bargain lol.

thelakelander

You guys are pretty much screwed on the QB front.  If Brees becomes available you should kick the tires.
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Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
You guys are pretty much screwed on the QB front.  If Brees becomes available you should kick the tires.

You spelled "The Fins" wrong....
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Wacca Pilatka

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 31, 2018, 03:16:00 PM

Besides, there was a really good question asked the other day:  How many losses are attributed DIRECTLY to Blake?  Over the course of the past season - 1.  You could argue both TN games, but the first one was mostly on his lack of execution.  The second one could be argued that we really weren't trying to win that one as much as we were trying to not get anyone injured before the playoffs.

So out of 19 games, we won 12 and of the 7 losses, only one of them was really the fault, or because of, the quarterback.

And I know the argument is made that we're winning in spite of him, but what was the Redskins record again?  How did Dak do when his running game disappeared?  Was there anyone else in the NFL winning games with up to 5 rookies on the offensive side of the ball at the same time?  3 of those being the only WRs on the field....

One I've been asking - how many of Blake's INTs this year were really ugly INTs?  I know going from 16 to 13 isn't a huge drop, but there was a big difference in the quality of the decisions.

In 2016 you had Blake chucking inexplicable heaves into crowds against the Chargers and Raiders, firing right to defenders in Jag territory against the Texans and Chiefs and Broncos.  Those tendencies that drove the highly analytical "LOL Blake's so bad" crowd really were absent this year.

The two INTs against the Titans in week 2 were good reads that got deflected.  Both were aimed at open receivers.  If Roethlisberger gets a pass for this in his debacle against Jacksonville, so does Blake.

The one against the Jets was a poor decision to try to throw a screen anyway despite a defender having gotten more penetration than expected.

The one against the Steelers was a pass that went into the hands of James O'Shaughnessy, who was then held up and robbed by Shazier. 

The one against the Rams was a bad throw, but it was a desperation 4th down play too.

The two against the Chargers were ugly, though the second one effectively ended up being as good as a punt given the 3rd-and-forever, outside of field goal range thanks to Lee's penalty.

The one against the Cardinals wasn't good.  Late throw.

Three against the 49ers - one because Cole got alligator arms, one because of an obvious wrong route, one where the read was correct and the receiver was open but a slight underthrow and a great athletic play by the defender.

The two against the Titans were ugly, but they were both in situational desperation mode.

And notably, none in three playoff games after the LOL Blake's So Bad crowd predicted he'd throw twelve or so.
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thelakelander

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Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 31, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
You guys are pretty much screwed on the QB front.  If Brees becomes available you should kick the tires.

You spelled "The Fins" wrong....
Lol nice, he's an average starter but Jags are in the SB with a healthy Tannehill. Your problem isn't interceptions
For whatever the reason is, your coaching staff is not confident enough to trust your QB to make the right plays when the game is on the line. Unless your defense is historically great, that's going to keep biting you in the ass.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Non-RedNeck Westsider

I'll take an average starter with average pay over an overpaid maybe any day.

Cousins is a better QB than Blake.  There's no need to debate that.  But for the price we would ultimately pay, probably in the $26-27M / yr average range, is it worth a game or two?  And even that's not guaranteed.

With regards to our coaching decisions, you'd have to ask them why they're so conservative.  Is it because of Blake or is it something else.  Why does the Defensive Coordinator of the Year Todd Wash continuously put wins at risk by dropping into quarters zone coverage when we have a lead in the second half?  I think it's more philosophy than anything else.  I mean, people keep saying they did it so Blake wouldn't screw up, so why not run a draw, or a screen, or a dive up the middle to see if something breaks loose?  Pats only had 1 timeout left.  We can run 'A' play and still kill the clock.  To me, that's 100% on the coach and has nothing to do with BB5.
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thelakelander

Oh, I wasn't saying go get Cousins. He's about to be the highest paid player in the league. He's better than Blake but he's average at best, IMO.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

pierre

Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 31, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
You guys are pretty much screwed on the QB front.  If Brees becomes available you should kick the tires.

You spelled "The Fins" wrong....
Lol nice, he's an average starter but Jags are in the SB with a healthy Tannehill. Your problem isn't interceptions
For whatever the reason is, your coaching staff is not confident enough to trust your QB to make the right plays when the game is on the line. Unless your defense is historically great, that's going to keep biting you in the ass.

They did against Pittsburgh, and he did.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: pierre on February 01, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 31, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
You guys are pretty much screwed on the QB front.  If Brees becomes available you should kick the tires.

You spelled "The Fins" wrong....
Lol nice, he's an average starter but Jags are in the SB with a healthy Tannehill. Your problem isn't interceptions
For whatever the reason is, your coaching staff is not confident enough to trust your QB to make the right plays when the game is on the line. Unless your defense is historically great, that's going to keep biting you in the ass.

They did against Pittsburgh, and he did.

There's the 4th down play against the Bills too....
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
-Douglas Adams

pierre

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 01, 2018, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: pierre on February 01, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 31, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 31, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
You guys are pretty much screwed on the QB front.  If Brees becomes available you should kick the tires.

You spelled "The Fins" wrong....
Lol nice, he's an average starter but Jags are in the SB with a healthy Tannehill. Your problem isn't interceptions
For whatever the reason is, your coaching staff is not confident enough to trust your QB to make the right plays when the game is on the line. Unless your defense is historically great, that's going to keep biting you in the ass.

They did against Pittsburgh, and he did.

There's the 4th down play against the Bills too....

He also had some very key runs in the Bills game.

Wacca Pilatka

^ Ah yes, that was when the communal media narrative was "LOL Blake is Tebow" for a week.  Then it became "LOL the coaching staff doesn't trust Blake" based on the 4th quarter of the Patriots game, everything that happened in the 4th quarter against Pittsburgh notwithstanding.

It's this kind of groupthink echo chamber stuff that has me turning so absurdly defensive of an average, high-variance quarterback.
The tourist would realize at once that he had struck the Land of Flowers - the City Beautiful!

Henry J. Klutho

Wacca Pilatka

The difference between the echo chambers is that the apologist one is internal within the fan base and message boards.  The LOL group is Pro Football Talk, Football Outsiders, SBNation, "The Good Place," and a herd of sports reporters who have collectively watched about two Jaguar games in the last decade, yet have magically all arrived at the same catch phrases on Bortles on a weekly basis.

Also, the apologists aren't deluding themselves that Blake is a superstar, just recognizing an average player who has been cast as horrible.  I'm well aware that external forces are making me more comically strident on this by the day. 
The tourist would realize at once that he had struck the Land of Flowers - the City Beautiful!

Henry J. Klutho

thelakelander

You guys are wearing rose colored glasses if you don't believe you need improvement at the QB spot to win a title. Even Mark Sanchez rode the coat tails of a good team to make it to the AFC championship game his first two seasons. Lots of things had to break a certain way for the Jags to get as far as they did in a down AFC year. Assuming other teams get injured stars back, play the draft and free agency game, next year the competition will be stiffer. It's not a given they'll get back to being with a quarter of winning the AFC championship game without addressing some key weak spots on the roster and the QB position is definitely one of them.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Lostwave

Quote from: thelakelander on February 01, 2018, 12:34:08 PM
You guys are wearing rose colored glasses if you don't believe you need improvement at the QB spot to win a title. Even Mark Sanchez rode the coat tails of a good team to make it to the AFC championship game his first two seasons. Lots of things had to break a certain way for the Jags to get as far as they did in a down AFC year. Assuming other teams get injured stars back, play the draft and free agency game, next year the competition will be stiffer. It's not a given they'll get back to being with a quarter of winning the AFC championship game without addressing some key weak spots on the roster and the QB position is definitely one of them.

Not to mention our schedule is 100 times harder next year.