The Jacksonville Jaguars

[MusicMan]

Then play Henne. He's the next option.

BB needs to run more. There were lanes open all day today and he never exploited that.   

[Snaketoz]

Fire Bortles, Meyers, the high school special teamers, and over paid and over hyped Marcedes Lewis, and while you are at it, the GM too.

[civil42806]

If the jags had a marginal quarterback they would be fine, well other than meyers.  But coughlin and the front office decided to ride this to this to the end.  D\

[remc86007]

[JaxAvondale]

Attendance was 56,232, the lowest of the Khan era. Unfortunately, NRW, you owe me a dollar.

I was wrong as well. I thought the attendance numbers would be up as well. It is clear that there are many ppl who would wanted to protest to players kneeling. The NFL & NFLPA have a big issue on their hands and they need to solve this issue soon. This is hurting the owners and players pocketbook. Premium seating revenue is included in the salary cap. So, if you have a thousand of people not buying tickets then you can expect a decrease in the salary cap if fans stay away.

[MusicMan]

"It is clear that there are many ppl who would wanted to protest to players kneeling. The NFL & NFLPA have a big issue on their hands and they need to solve this issue soon. This is hurting the owners and players pocketbook."

Really?  I didn't go because I worked from 7 15 am until 10 15 pm yesterday. It had nothing to do with kneeling. I needed some rest and to straighten out my house.

Hurting no ones' pocketbook. Shad Khan has doubled his money (in 4 years) owning a crappy team.  All the salaries are getting paid. If Khan wanted to sell the team there are plenty of potential buyers. 

The teams in the more established markets are selling fine. We have not sold out the stadium in a long time. Well before anyone took a knee, including the opposition QB in a victory formation.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Attendance was 56,232, the lowest of the Khan era. Unfortunately, NRW, you owe me a dollar.

Yep. 

I was just coming over here to acknowledge that.  The funny thing is...  I was there for both the opener and tonight and the stadium 'felt' and even looked more packed than the other day.  Even up to the missed FG, the lower bowls looked full-ish.

When I saw the attendance numbers I was honestly shocked.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

If the jags had a marginal quarterback they would be fine, well other than meyers.  But coughlin and the front office decided to ride this to this to the end.  D\

23/35 (65%) 241 yds, 1TD / 1 INT and you want to blame the QB?

Today wasn't on him.  It was the 23 points directly given up by Special Teams and another 6 cost by an early whistle.

SMH, some peoples' kids...

Our defense held the Rams to 7 offensive points under 300 yards and 4/13 on 3D.
Bortles threw for 241 65% 1TD/1INT.
and Special teams gives up 17 points and missed on 6 more.
But yeah, this is Bortles' fault. Or our run defense. Or our play-calling... Or our WRs dropping balls.... Or the refs missing crucial calls....
C'mon y'all. I'm not a fan of blaming one group, but in this one, I'm leaning that way pretty damn hard in that direction.
Could one of the other groups done more to win us the game? Sure. But I'm calling a spade a spade on this one. 23 points cost by one group is a pretty deep hole to dig out.

[Snaketoz]

If the jags had a marginal quarterback they would be fine, well other than meyers.  But coughlin and the front office decided to ride this to this to the end.  D\

23/35 (65%) 241 yds, 1TD / 1 INT and you want to blame the QB?

Today wasn't on him.  It was the 23 points directly given up by Special Teams and another 6 cost by an early whistle.

SMH, some peoples' kids...

Our defense held the Rams to 7 offensive points under 300 yards and 4/13 on 3D.
Bortles threw for 241 65% 1TD/1INT.
and Special teams gives up 17 points and missed on 6 more.
But yeah, this is Bortles' fault. Or our run defense. Or our play-calling... Or our WRs dropping balls.... Or the refs missing crucial calls....
C'mon y'all. I'm not a fan of blaming one group, but in this one, I'm leaning that way pretty damn hard in that direction.
Could one of the other groups done more to win us the game? Sure. But I'm calling a spade a spade on this one. 23 points cost by one group is a pretty deep hole to dig out.

Yeah, I give a lot of the blame to Bortles.  Defenses don't respect him.  They know he is just an expensive statue behind center giving the ball to Fournette.  He couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a bucket of rice. They had no fear of his passing.  He gets garbage stats, but few wins.  I don't care how many receptions, how many yards he helped get.  The object of the game is scoring the most points.  We had a terrible special teams game today, but week after week, year after year, Bortles fumbles, throws errant balls, and makes stupid mistakes to keep the team from winning.  He is more gun shy than the last disastrous QB, Gabbert.  When are the Jags going to sign a free agent QB with balls and ability?  I want a winner in Jacksonville before I die!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

But today our offense scored more points than their offense....

We dominated the game in every aspect other than the scoreboard.  23 points gifted (17 scored, 6 FG misses) by ST.  6 points by the Refs for blowing a play dead too soon.

I understand the hate for the guy, but I pay too much attention to the game to agree with it.

It's like blaming the pitcher for losing a game after they've pitched a 3 or 4 hitter with no dingers...  there's other people on the field with a job to do, too.

[civil42806]

How much longer are they going to put up with meyers, every field goal is an adventure.

[MusicMan]

Well to replace him, who do you propose?  Not a lot of people walking around downtown Jax who can kick a ball 65+ yards in the air?

[JaxAvondale]

I would suspect the Jags the Jags to bring in a few kickers for workout on Tuesday.

[KenFSU]

I was wrong as well. I thought the attendance numbers would be up as well. It is clear that there are many ppl who would wanted to protest to players kneeling. The NFL & NFLPA have a big issue on their hands and they need to solve this issue soon. This is hurting the owners and players pocketbook. Premium seating revenue is included in the salary cap. So, if you have a thousand of people not buying tickets then you can expect a decrease in the salary cap if fans stay away.

I don't think it's clear at all. Though the Times-Union, for whatever reason, loves to put a good negative spin on anything Jaguars related, we're treading into potential correlation without causation territory here by inferring that national anthem protests are the reason attendance is down. Attendance was among the softest in years already for our home opener, prior to any national anthem controversy, at 61,110.

It's not uncommon for Jaguars attendance to be slightly higher than normal for the home opener, with a dropoff in attendance for the second home game. Last year, our home opener was attended by 63,179 people, with a dropoff of over 3,000 fans for the next game versus the Ravens, who travel really, really well. This year, attendance for the second game was down 4,800, against the L.A. Rams, who were already one of the worst traveling fanbases in the NFL before moving to Los Angeles.

It's not inconceivable that local interest in the Jags was down going into the season already, and the 1,800 fan difference was purely the result of differences in opponent fanbase.

We'll likely see attendance in the same ballpark for the Bengals game as well, another team that doesn't travel well. And I'm sure the local media will jump on the national anthem thing again, ignoring other possible contributing factors, like a decade of futility, Bortles as quarterback, heightened concussion awareness, domestic violence, escalating costs of attending NFL games, the onslaught of new competition for entertainment dollars, both nationally and locally (Daily's Place included), and our reliance on opposing fanbases to pad our attendance numbers.

Let's give it more than one game, by one wildly inconsistent team, at an off time of day, against an opponent that doesn't travel well, in a season where interest already appeared soft, before blaming the anthem for anything.

[Steve]

Fire Bortles, Meyers, the high school special teamers, and over paid and over hyped Marcedes Lewis, and while you are at it, the GM too.

Marcedes Lewis had three touchdowns a couple weeks ago. Also, that GM did draft Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Leonard Fournette, and Cam Robinson. He also got Calais Campbell, Malik Jackson, AJ Bouye, and others. Yes, Caldwell missed on Bortles and that's going to be a large part of how he's judged. Myers and Nortman haven't been great either but let's be honest, Caldwell is far from the first GM to miss on kickers. Coughlin had a revolving door in 2002 at the kicking position -  I think they had four in one season.

From a personnel perspective over the last two years, the roster has dramatically improved. Asking this team to go from 3-13 to 13-3 in one offseason is a tough ask. I always felt this was about an 8-8 team this way. Now, the wins have been different than I expected - I never thought the defense would be this good.