The Jacksonville Jaguars

[Tacachale]

It's very impressive that the Jags' value continues to grow despite being one of the worst teams in the league for years. Goes to show the importance of the off-field stuff.

[Josh]

Dante Fowler was arrested on misdemeanor charges of simple battery and mischief.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/jaguars-de-dante-fowler-arrested-in-st-petersburg/2330847

[Downtown Osprey]

Nothing over the top but also not a good look for ole' Dante. Gotta be the bigger man in those situations. I'm sure Tom will have some kind words when he reports to camp.

[Steve]

Nothing over the top but also not a good look for ole' Dante. Gotta be the bigger man in those situations. I'm sure Tom will have some kind words when he reports to camp.

In 1995 Coughlin cut two guys because they were late to practice after getting in a car accident on the Main Street Bridge. This isn't going to go well for #56.

[KenFSU]

Maturing in the offseason apparently equals punching a man, stomping on his glasses, and throwing his liquor bottles into a lake. 

[Wacca Pilatka]

Was hoping Fowler would learn some new moves this year.
I wasn't counting on "throw the bag of groceries into the lake" as one of those.

After last year's seemingly endless parade of personal fouls where Gus removed Fowler from the game for two seconds, I'm looking forward to seeing the difference in discipline standards this year.

[copperfiend]

Nothing over the top but also not a good look for ole' Dante. Gotta be the bigger man in those situations. I'm sure Tom will have some kind words when he reports to camp.

In 1995 Coughlin cut two guys because they were late to practice after getting in a car accident on the Main Street Bridge. This isn't going to go well for #56.

Unless there was another incident, I believe the players were fined for being late. Not cut.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Nothing over the top but also not a good look for ole' Dante. Gotta be the bigger man in those situations. I'm sure Tom will have some kind words when he reports to camp.

In 1995 Coughlin cut two guys because they were late to practice after getting in a car accident on the Main Street Bridge. This isn't going to go well for #56.

Unless there was another incident, I believe the players were fined for being late. Not cut.

I do recall that Coughlin cut Ferric Collons for throwing a helmet in practice and refusing to go retrieve it when asked.  And Collons went on to start for the Patriots for a couple of years.

[copperfiend]

On the bright side, he has not shown a history of this type of behav--uh oh.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2017/7/19/15998824/dante-fowler-also-arrested-in-2016-court-records-show

It's truly amazing that since 2003, the Jaguars have had 3 different GM's and every single one just continues to be absolutely dreadful at first round picks.

There is a good chance Caldwell's first three picks end up as monumental busts.

[RattlerGator]

Though he is technically entering his third NFL season, it's worth noting that Dante is still but 22 years old.

He won't turn 23 until August 3rd.

That's certainly no excuse, and this does appear to be an idiotic response by Dante to minor nonsense on the part of the other guy. Very disappointing news to me. I'm looking for him to have a breakout year; I'd hate to have to give up on him as a flaming knucklehead. But this isn't his first idiotic incident.

Still . . . copperfiend:

There is a good chance Caldwell's first three picks end up as monumental busts.

I think that's absurd.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Still . . . copperfiend:

There is a good chance Caldwell's first three picks end up as monumental busts.

I think that's absurd.

Joekel - Bust
Bortles - TBD - If he doesn't have closer to a 2015 stat line and about 8-10 wins, I have every feeling we're moving on, and why not?
Fowler - Leaning more towards bust.  Ngakoue was drafter a year later and 2 rounds later than Fowler and has a much better stat line even though they both only played a season.

Tell me how you can disagree with copper?

[MusicMan]

Agree, very possibly busts.  Especially Dante Fowler. Overrated coming out of college. Never even led the SEC in sacks.

Monday on 1010XL Tony Boselli was saying Jags should sign Colin Kaepernick as a back up and get rid of Henne. Exactly what I was saying on this thread two weeks ago. 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

... Jags should sign Colin Kaepernick as a back up...

Just.
No.

[RattlerGator]

Anyone insisting the Jags should sign Kaepernick is an absolute political idiot. The man was in Africa on July 4th saying *what* about America ? ? ?

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/05/colin-kaepernick-marks-fourth-of-july-by-criticizing-us-quoting-socialist-african-leader/

Fuck him. And his mammy.

As for busts -- language does matter, right? Joekel obviously isn't a bust. Lazy sports commentators bastardize the language all the time, but the guy isn't a bust. He wasn't very good. He clearly was a disappointment. But he's not a bust. And Bortles is clearly better than *that* assessment. Fowler, too.

Stop with the craziness. Draft picks don't work out far, far more than some lazy observations presume. That doesn't make them a bust.

[pierre]

Still . . . copperfiend:

There is a good chance Caldwell's first three picks end up as monumental busts.

I think that's absurd.

Joekel - Bust
Bortles - TBD - If he doesn't have closer to a 2015 stat line and about 8-10 wins, I have every feeling we're moving on, and why not?
Fowler - Leaning more towards bust.  Ngakoue was drafter a year later and 2 rounds later than Fowler and has a much better stat line even though they both only played a season.

Tell me how you can disagree with copper?

I think Caldwell's days are numbered here.

Coughlin has already taken away some of his power.

His draft picks are not panning out, his free agent signing have been abysmal.

The Panthers surprisingly just fired their GM Dave Gettleman the other day. Gettleman worked with Coughlin in NY for a decade. I would not be surprised if Caldwell ends up canned and Gettleman comes here.