The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

RatTownRyan

Too bad they don't mention Jax

thelakelander

How do you guys like getting a left tackle at #34?  What does this mean for Albert?
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RattlerGator

It means future stability but immediate flexibility. In a weird way, a silver lining to the awful season we had last year when the team seriously underperformed is this: we could not have selected both of these premier players. One, sure (Cam, not Fournette). But definitely not both.

Jax-Nole

What better way to pressure Branden Albert into getting back to the team without a new contract than to draft someone and explicitly state that he will compete for left tackle? I'm not a fan of any player that holds out for a contract if they don't deserve it, and Branden Albert hasn't done much to prove he deserves it. Best case scenario, Albert gets back (without a new contract) and wins the left tackle spot, while Cam Robinson plays at guard for the first year or two before taking over for Albert.

My guess for our first pick tomorrow is TE Jake Butt or TE Jordan Leggett. At some point we need a tight end and likely a guard. Butt is the best remaining TE and should have been drafted by now, especially if he hadn't torn his ACL. Leggett is fairly comparable, and would be ready for training camp, unlike Butt.

MusicMan

Leggett, please. He was big in big games.

Would also love to see old Nick O'Leary given a chance. He literally never dropped a pass that hit his hands. Would be useful in those third and 6 situations.

Jax-Nole

Quote from: MusicMan on April 29, 2017, 10:49:37 AM
Leggett, please. He was big in big games.

Would also love to see old Nick O'Leary given a chance. He literally never dropped a pass that hit his hands. Would be useful in those third and 6 situations.

Are you talking about the former Florida State TE? I used to love watching him. It is so disappointing that Buffalo basically hasn't used him. 10 receptions in 2 years. He was so good and powerful in college.

RattlerGator

Westbrook is a possibly phenomenal upgrade from Rashad, who seems to have hit a ceiling.Damn good risk/reward gamble.

Jax-Nole

Clearly the Jags have faith in the offensive line and tight end position. Taking a questionable WR in the 4th and a LB in the 5th. We don't have another pick until the 7th. Rare to get great players that late.

JaxAvondale

Once Butt & Kittle went off the board in the 5th, there was no reason to reach on a TE.

Jax-Nole

So out of 7 picks, only 2 were in positions of need. I have understood most of the picks under Dave Caldwell, but this draft has me thoroughly confused on what was going through their minds. We finished 3-13 last year. We needed to be drafting guys in positions of need. This to me seems like the kind of draft that gets a GM fired when we finish with 4 wins because there are still big holes that should have been filled in the draft. Can anyone help me understand any of the picks in rounds 3-7? I don't get it.

spuwho

Quote from: Jax-Nole on April 29, 2017, 06:23:08 PM
So out of 7 picks, only 2 were in positions of need. I have understood most of the picks under Dave Caldwell, but this draft has me thoroughly confused on what was going through their minds. We finished 3-13 last year. We needed to be drafting guys in positions of need. This to me seems like the kind of draft that gets a GM fired when we finish with 4 wins because there are still big holes that should have been filled in the draft. Can anyone help me understand any of the picks in rounds 3-7? I don't get it.

Ryan Pace of the Bears set a new standard for drafting this weekend.  I thought Gene Smith had set it with his Div III/FCS picks, but it has been easily surpassed.

Caldwell did the best he could and don't forget there is a new sheriff in town. The eyes and ears of the Jaguars on player personnel have changed.

JaxAvondale

The draft went well for the Jags. I could quibble about not taking Butt in the 4th but he is unlikely to have a meaningful contribution in 2017. The Jags could still sign Barnidge.

This draft was heavy with DBs and the Jags didn't need any help there. From a football standpoint, the Westbrook pick is a risk/reward pick. He had 17 TDs last season in a Power 5 conference with balanced offensive team.  Essentially, the Jags drafted like a 10-6 team that went to the playoffs the previous season and a lot of people are surprised with the way they approach this draft. Talent wise, this is a 10-6 team. Hopefully, the change in coaching and organization structure will lead to a similar turn around that the Dolphins had last season.

RattlerGator

I like this John Oehser take:

So, what did this draft give the Jaguars? At first glance, this:

*Better playmaking with Fournette and Westbrook.

*A better running game with Fournette and Williams – and very possibly Robinson.

*A deeper pass rush with Smoot.

*A faster team with Westbrook and Myrick.

*A better, deeper special teams with players such as Brown, Westbrook and Myrick expected to contribute there and fast.

"That was a primary objective," Coughlin said of the special teams.

Yes, it was – and this draft and indeed the entire offseason sent that message: Special teams matter, and they were addressed in a big way over the past three days. In that vein, the whole Coughlin-Marrone approach was addressed in a big way over the past three days, too.

Marrone and Coughlin have talked toughness since their arrival, and they talked it big-time throughout the weekend. They want to be able to run when they want to run. They want to score more, and they want to be bigger and stronger up front. They want a deeper pass rush, and they sure want anyone watching – and any player playing – to know all of the aforementioned are true.


Focus on the positive, man. That all makes sense to me and doesn't seem like a bigtime stretch at all.

civil42806

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Quote from: RattlerGator on April 30, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
I like this John Oehser take:

So, what did this draft give the Jaguars? At first glance, this:

*Better playmaking with Fournette and Westbrook.

*A better running game with Fournette and Williams – and very possibly Robinson.

*A deeper pass rush with Smoot.

*A faster team with Westbrook and Myrick.

*A better, deeper special teams with players such as Brown, Westbrook and Myrick expected to contribute there and fast.

"That was a primary objective," Coughlin said of the special teams.

Yes, it was – and this draft and indeed the entire offseason sent that message: Special teams matter, and they were addressed in a big way over the past three days. In that vein, the whole Coughlin-Marrone approach was addressed in a big way over the past three days, too.

Marrone and Coughlin have talked toughness since their arrival, and they talked it big-time throughout the weekend. They want to be able to run when they want to run. They want to score more, and they want to be bigger and stronger up front. They want a deeper pass rush, and they sure want anyone watching – and any player playing – to know all of the aforementioned are true.


Focus on the positive, man. That all makes sense to me and doesn't seem like a bigtime stretch at all.

Yep thats what I always say, 3-13.  You know what our big problem is "Special teams".  Really special teams!  A primary objective was special teams?

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: spuwho on April 29, 2017, 09:55:42 PM
Ryan Pace of the Bears set a new standard for drafting this weekend.  I thought Gene Smith had set it with his Div III/FCS picks, but it has been easily surpassed.

Hahahaha... I texted a Bear's fan friend of mine after their second pick and asked if he knew of Gene Smith joining the front office recently.
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