The Jacksonville Jaguars

[thelakelander]

I didn't see the game but how do you only pass for 92 yards in a full NFL game? That's kind of hard to do in today's league.

[Snufflee]

I didn't see the game but how do you only pass for 92 yards in a full NFL game? That's kind of hard to do in today's league.

You have Blake Bortles as your QB... 

[copperfiend]

I at least would like to see what Bortles can do with a competent coaching staff.

He's had three Offensive Coordinators in three years.

The first one was a guy who had never been an offensive coordinator in the NFL before. The second guy was the offensive coordinator of the only offense in the NFL worse than the guy he replaced.

I don't think Bortles has been good this year. He's one of the handful of the worst in the league this year. But he is playing for a head coach with the worst record in modern NFL history and likely the worst coaching staff in the league.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I didn't see the game but how do you only pass for 92 yards in a full NFL game? That's kind of hard to do in today's league.

Pretty sure we lost the first round with the Texans and Osweiller only threw for 99.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Well Blake gave them 6 points, watching Gus's presser was a bit sad, hope the best for him.

[civil42806]

While I certainly am glad Gus is finally gone ( I have been calling it Black Monday every time Gus has still been our coach on Monday) I worry about the future with Caldwell (the architect of this disaster) potentially still in charge. He comes across as an arrogant prick at his press conferences which is fine as long as he isn't delusional about his brilliance. It is the delusional part that worries me. One would think that all he has to do is look at the Raiders or the Titans in comparison but who knows?
Earlier this year, Michael Lomabardi was quoted as saying it was amazing talking to the Jaguars organization and how great they thought they were. He said when you spoke to the Patriots, it was like they were the ones picking in the top 5 every year while speaking with the Jags, it was like they were the ones winning multiple super bowls.

Certainly ending the  Ill-prepared,undisciplined mess of a mentally weak snowflake culture That Gus created should help elevate the talent that remains.(assuming it is not ingrained at this point) However, Dave hired/stuck with Gus and is anyone truly impressed with the roster considering where we pick in each round of the draft and the gift of the new salary cap rollover rules that coincided perfectly for the Jags rebuild? I was originally very pleased with Dave's approach and defended him outside of the Bradley hire but let's face it, he has been an epic failure so far.
I am not saying he cannot turn it around but why would we have any confidence he will?

ditto

[KenFSU]

^From the sounds of Dave's presser today, Gus was never his man. He pretty such said without saying that Gus was never his pick.

I honestly don't mind Caldwell - maybe all those years of Gene Smith just set the bar really low - and devil's advocate:

With the exception of taking Bortles at #3 (a big exception), Caldwell has done a really solid job on paper. The Jags have "won" the draft by critical consensus for several years running. Julius Thomas, Malik Jackson and, to a lesser extent, Chris Ivory, were hot free agents lured to the Jags, a franchise that has historically had a hard time landing players.

I'd argue that Caldwell has consistently delivered solid pieces, but by circumstances beyond his control, very few of said pieces have lived up to their potential. Luke Joeckel was a solid pick in one of the worst drafts in recent memory, but he was never utilized properly, suffered a fluke injury in his first season, and never really recovered. Dante Fowler filled a major need, suffered a fluke injury during the first day of training camp, and is too early into his career to say much about the quality of the pick either way. Marqise Lee was hurt early and often, but is finally starting to look like the franchise WR that we used our pick on. ARob was one of the best receivers in the league before he stopped trying. Julius Thomas was a world class tight end before he moved to Jacksonville and retired. The list goes on and on.

Also, Caldwell seems very high, giddy even, on Tom Coughlin.

[spuwho]

^. Julius Thomas was a world class tight end

For any lawyer:

Can I sue Ken over this statement? I was drinking hot coffee when I read this and the shock of seeing "world class"  in the same sentence as Julius Thomas nearly caused me to die from choking and I may have suffered 2nd degree burns.

There may have been no intent since I assume he meant "made of glass" but the damage was done.

Do I have a case?

Some players excel in any system,  some players only excel in one system.

JT excels where the OL is solid in their blocking ( like in Denver).

Less so in Jax, where the OL has been shaky at times.

[pierre]

^. Julius Thomas was a world class tight end

For any lawyer:

Can I sue Ken over this statement? I was drinking hot coffee when I read this and the shock of seeing "world class"  in the same sentence as Julius Thomas nearly caused me to die from choking and I may have suffered 2nd degree burns.

There may have been no intent since I assume he meant "made of glass" but the damage was done.

Do I have a case?

I specialize in space law, but I am going to say absolutely not.  Julius Thomas absolutely was a world-class tight end.  Before I realized how stupid it is, I played a lot of fantasy football and owning Thomas in multiple leagues for the 2014 and 2015 seasons got me a lot of points.  He was great till he came here and the Jags apparently couldnt game plan to get him involved.

He was never a "world class" tight end.

He had 1 catch his first two seasons in the NFL.

Blew up in 2013 when Manning had an all-time great season.

His last year in Denver he had 43 catches for 489 yards.

His first year in Jacksonville he had 46 catches for 455 yards.

His 2013 is an outlier season just like Marcedes Lewis 2010 season.

[KenFSU]

1996 playoff win over Denver in full:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgn-C6QLtuI&feature=player_embedded

[Keith-N-Jax]

The good ole days

[Adam White]

^. Julius Thomas was a world class tight end

For any lawyer:

Can I sue Ken over this statement? I was drinking hot coffee when I read this and the shock of seeing "world class"  in the same sentence as Julius Thomas nearly caused me to die from choking and I may have suffered 2nd degree burns.

There may have been no intent since I assume he meant "made of glass" but the damage was done.

Do I have a case?

I specialize in space law, but I am going to say absolutely not.  Julius Thomas absolutely was a world-class tight end.  Before I realized how stupid it is, I played a lot of fantasy football and owning Thomas in multiple leagues for the 2014 and 2015 seasons got me a lot of points.  He was great till he came here and the Jags apparently couldnt game plan to get him involved.

He was never a "world class" tight end.

You can't really call any NFL player "world class" when the sport is basically only played at the top level in the USA. (You could include Canada, at a stretch - but it is a different code of football..and they don't use tight ends anymore anyway).

[KenFSU]

^. Julius Thomas was a world class tight end

For any lawyer:

Can I sue Ken over this statement? I was drinking hot coffee when I read this and the shock of seeing "world class"  in the same sentence as Julius Thomas nearly caused me to die from choking and I may have suffered 2nd degree burns.

There may have been no intent since I assume he meant "made of glass" but the damage was done.

Do I have a case?

I specialize in space law, but I am going to say absolutely not.  Julius Thomas absolutely was a world-class tight end.  Before I realized how stupid it is, I played a lot of fantasy football and owning Thomas in multiple leagues for the 2014 and 2015 seasons got me a lot of points.  He was great till he came here and the Jags apparently couldnt game plan to get him involved.

He was never a "world class" tight end.

You can't really call any NFL player "world class" when the sport is basically only played at the top level in the USA. (You could include Canada, at a stretch - but it is a different code of football..and they don't use tight ends anymore anyway).

Semantics.



American football is played all over the world - everywhere from Mexico, to Japan, to France, to India, to Argentina. Regardless of level-of-play, best in the world is best in the world. Just because our ramen is largely shit in America doesn't mean that the best ramen chefs in Japan aren't world-class.

And, at the time that we signed Julius Thomas, he was one of the best tight ends in football. He was a back-to-back Pro Bowler and widely regarded as one of the hottest free agents in football.

As far as the claim goes that 2013 was an outlier year, and 2014 was shit, the facts don't back this up. If anything, he was more efficient in 2014, where more than one in four of his receptions resulted in a touchdown. You're cherry picking numbers if you think his 2014 season in Denver was more comparable to his 2015 season in Jax than his 2013 season. We didn't sign him to pad his yardage, we signed him because he was one of the highest-scoring tight ends in the NFL (he set an NFL record for tight-end scoring in the first few games of 2014). The touchdowns, not the yardage, is where he really fell off.



Don't get me wrong, he turned to shit and it became evident that he was propped up by Manning, but it's revisionist history to suggest that he was never a world-class tight end.

[Adam White]

^. Julius Thomas was a world class tight end

For any lawyer:

Can I sue Ken over this statement? I was drinking hot coffee when I read this and the shock of seeing "world class"  in the same sentence as Julius Thomas nearly caused me to die from choking and I may have suffered 2nd degree burns.

There may have been no intent since I assume he meant "made of glass" but the damage was done.

Do I have a case?

I specialize in space law, but I am going to say absolutely not.  Julius Thomas absolutely was a world-class tight end.  Before I realized how stupid it is, I played a lot of fantasy football and owning Thomas in multiple leagues for the 2014 and 2015 seasons got me a lot of points.  He was great till he came here and the Jags apparently couldnt game plan to get him involved.

He was never a "world class" tight end.

You can't really call any NFL player "world class" when the sport is basically only played at the top level in the USA. (You could include Canada, at a stretch - but it is a different code of football..and they don't use tight ends anymore anyway).

Semantics.

You know you're winning an argument when you pull out the dictionary.

[KenFSU]

^My next play is ad hominem attack.

BE SCARED, ADAM