The Jacksonville Jaguars

[pierre]

Khan wants answers...


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ap-sources-jaguars-owner-khan-speaks-to-team-seeks-answers-102616

[Wacca Pilatka]

It was very nice of Khan to help out breast cancer and the cancer center, but most winning owners do that too.  I'm sure one of the reasons to get the current coach and management was the costs.  I believe he needs to lure and proven coach and a GM with proven talent.

I wouldn't agree with that...no one's happy with Bradley's performance, but he was a sought-after coaching candidate in 2013 and the Jags had to outbid Philadelphia for him.  Caldwell was well regarded as an up-and-coming candidate too, and several teams were pursuing him.  This isn't like the Wayne hiring Mularkey and retaining Gene situation.

Probably Wash and Olson were relatively cheaper hires than other, more prominent coordinators, but I'm inclined to think that wasn't penny pinching, but the best that could be done given the Bradley mess.

[spuwho]

Khan wants answers...


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ap-sources-jaguars-owner-khan-speaks-to-team-seeks-answers-102616

Interesting meeting. Shad is not Jerry Jones by any means. So when he calls a team meeting and has open forum, that means he heard the boobirds as much as Bortles and Robinson.

Just how much feedback can you give an owner who can release or trade you with a phone call?

Oh what a fly on the wall would say.

[Snaketoz]

It was very nice of Khan to help out breast cancer and the cancer center, but most winning owners do that too.  I'm sure one of the reasons to get the current coach and management was the costs.  I believe he needs to lure and proven coach and a GM with proven talent.

It's two pools of money: Khan's personal money, and Jags money. Owners can't really spend their own money on their team. However, Khan's been spending the Jags money as much as any team. This was the first year they spent under the mark, and they've said it's to free up room for next year now that they've built up their player base. Long story short, whatever the thing is with Bradley, it's not about the money.

An owner can spend as much money on coaches and administration as they want to.  I believe you are thinking of salary cap, which has no bearing when it comes to the team management.  What I am trying to say is hiring people like Bradley, with no head coaching experience, is cheaper and riskier than hiring a proven winner like "Chucky" or Cower.  It's much cheaper. It would take a lot of money to lure a Gruden or Cower.  It might be worth it in the long run.

[Adam White]

It was very nice of Khan to help out breast cancer and the cancer center, but most winning owners do that too.  I'm sure one of the reasons to get the current coach and management was the costs.  I believe he needs to lure and proven coach and a GM with proven talent.

It's two pools of money: Khan's personal money, and Jags money. Owners can't really spend their own money on their team. However, Khan's been spending the Jags money as much as any team. This was the first year they spent under the mark, and they've said it's to free up room for next year now that they've built up their player base. Long story short, whatever the thing is with Bradley, it's not about the money.

An owner can spend as much money on coaches and administration as they want to.  I believe you are thinking of salary cap, which has no bearing when it comes to the team management.  What I am trying to say is hiring people like Bradley, with no head coaching experience, is cheaper and riskier than hiring a proven winner like "Chucky" or Cower.  It's much cheaper. It would take a lot of money to lure a Gruden or Cower.  It might be worth it in the long run.

Really? Wouldn't Khan have to loan the money to the Jaguars if it was his personal money?

[MusicMan]

"It would take a lot of money to lure a Gruden or Cower. It might be worth it in the long run."

Ya think?

Khan is a billionaire, and there is evidence to support the fact that the Jaguars are worth more than what he paid for them. If they were a winner wouldn't they be worth even more?  A couple million dollars per year is a lot to you and I, but to Shad Khan it is peanuts. If the Jags could become a winning franchise that would be money well spent.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

It was very nice of Khan to help out breast cancer and the cancer center, but most winning owners do that too.  I'm sure one of the reasons to get the current coach and management was the costs.  I believe he needs to lure and proven coach and a GM with proven talent.

It's two pools of money: Khan's personal money, and Jags money. Owners can't really spend their own money on their team. However, Khan's been spending the Jags money as much as any team. This was the first year they spent under the mark, and they've said it's to free up room for next year now that they've built up their player base. Long story short, whatever the thing is with Bradley, it's not about the money.

An owner can spend as much money on coaches and administration as they want to.  I believe you are thinking of salary cap, which has no bearing when it comes to the team management.  What I am trying to say is hiring people like Bradley, with no head coaching experience, is cheaper and riskier than hiring a proven winner like "Chucky" or Cower.  It's much cheaper. It would take a lot of money to lure a Gruden or Cower.  It might be worth it in the long run.

And you keep mentioning coaches who, from all outside appearances, have no desire to return to the grind that is NFL when they're easily pulling down 7-8 figures in an easier position that still allows them access to the game they love.

Do we really want Coughlin 2.0?  Lovie Smith?  Or do you prefer and 'up and comer' coordinator?  Or how about someone from college looking to make the jump?  Nick Saban?

You seem to have this idea in your head that all we need is 'x'....  What was Belichick's record in Cleveland?  How did the OBC do in Washington? 

And for that matter how good of a coach was Gruden actually?  He made a few playoff appearances with his teams, but his only SuperBowl was a Tony Dungy team.  After his SB (and actually putting HIS mark on the team), Tampa Bay was up and down from year to year getting knocked out of the WildCard round twice before he was fired retired.

So many pieces have to be in place for things to work right from players to coordinators to coaches to even a few bounces of the ball during the season.  I think we have the pieces in place to be a great team, but from where I sit and type this, I think the biggest changes need to happen at the position coach level and possibly the coordinator level, and ultimately that all falls on Gus.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Gruden was a sub-.500 coach in Tampa post-2002, and showed a bizarre mania for starting skill position players who lacked speed and were well past their prime.  I'm not sure he's the gold standard we should hold for proven coaches.

Cowher has a sterling record, but benefited from a terrific front office and a fabled defensive coordinator, and might not have thrived so much under less fortuitous circumstances.  His team also laid an egg in several AFC championship games at home against inferior opponents.

And even if both were as spectacular as their reputations, they may just not WANT to return to coaching.  They might be quite content with their lucrative, relaxing TV gigs no matter how much money an owner offers to throw at them.  Even if Khan were cheap, which he's not, some other franchise with a need would have snapped them up by now.

[Tacachale]

It was very nice of Khan to help out breast cancer and the cancer center, but most winning owners do that too.  I'm sure one of the reasons to get the current coach and management was the costs.  I believe he needs to lure and proven coach and a GM with proven talent.

It's two pools of money: Khan's personal money, and Jags money. Owners can't really spend their own money on their team. However, Khan's been spending the Jags money as much as any team. This was the first year they spent under the mark, and they've said it's to free up room for next year now that they've built up their player base. Long story short, whatever the thing is with Bradley, it's not about the money.

An owner can spend as much money on coaches and administration as they want to.  I believe you are thinking of salary cap, which has no bearing when it comes to the team management.  What I am trying to say is hiring people like Bradley, with no head coaching experience, is cheaper and riskier than hiring a proven winner like "Chucky" or Cower.  It's much cheaper. It would take a lot of money to lure a Gruden or Cower.  It might be worth it in the long run.

I'm not referring to the salary cap. I'm referring to the fact that Khan (and other owners) aren't spending their personal money on the team. What they spend comes out of the team's revenues. After spending $760 million on the Jags, he's not putting more of his Flex-N-Gate money into the team considering that all NFL teams essentially print money. However, my real point is that Khan hasn't been stingy in his spending. He's put tens of millions into the facilities alone. All this is to say, I don't think the issue with Bradley is based on money.

[spuwho]

No one had Gus on the short list when JDR and Mularkey left, so I would assume Caldwell's list, (if it exists) doesnt include anyone from the TV crowd.

A reminder that time away from the game isnt always a determining factor. Examples include Dick Vermeil with the Eagles and Rams.  George Halas who had quit coaching for years before he came back and won the NFL Championship in 1963 for the Bears.

On the flip side you had Joe Gibbs when he came back to the Redskins running an offense designed for Doug Williams and John Riggins. Obviously it flopped.

Ex-players have been washing out just as fast as ex college coaches. Nick Saban will never coach pro again, he learned his lesson in Miami. He will retire at Bama.

Bill Belichick is a total football geek. He watches film of games from the 30's and 40's looking for ideas. Most modern coaches arent that dedicated to their skills. They are more worried about personnel and relating to players than coming up with original game plans.  You laugh....its true!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

No one had Gus on the short list when JDR and Mularkey left, so I would assume Caldwell's list, (if it exists) doesnt include anyone from the TV crowd.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2013-01-18/story/hiring-gus-bradley-coach-easy-decision-jaguars-gm#

Went back to do some fact checking:

Caldwell is on record saying that he was looking for a first time NFL head coach.  So those of you wondering, there's your answer.

■ Bradley was the fourth and final candidate interviewed, following Jaguars defensive coordinator Mel Tucker, St. Louis offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and Cincinnati offensive coordinator Jay Gruden.

Only Jay Gruden is a HC at the pro-level and has a sub-500 record with the Redskins that had some pieces already in place.  Complete?  Not even close.  How would he have handled a complete rebuild?

■ Had San Francisco lost to Green Bay last Saturday, Caldwell said he "probably would have" reached out to 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, his college roommate and presumed front-runner when the search began.

Couldn't even hang on to his O-coord job in Buffalo this year. 

Instead of watching the Falcons, Caldwell concentrated on Bradley.

And instead of thinking about Atlanta's victory, Caldwell was impressed at how the Seattle defense adjusted to nearly post a second-half shutout.

We saw something similar against the Bears.  Anyone remember Ramsey getting torched the entire first half?  Care to revisit what happened after?

And all the other articles about Bradley, many that I've just read for the first time, all seem to be positive.  That's quite a feat since there were multiple articles coming from the Philly media. 

[KenFSU]

Articles like this are lazy and stupid.

Plus, his facts aren't even right (the numbers include the Jags three games in Jacksonville, not their fourth home game at Wembley).

Where is any form of context in this article?

You can do better, Business Journal.

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/10/27/jaguars-attendance-low-as-nfl-season-nears-midway.html

Jaguars' attendance low as NFL season nears midway point

Despite eking out a few wins, this has been a dismal season for the Jacksonville Jaguar — and that's reflected in game attendance.

The 2-4 Jags are in the bottom 20 percent of NFL teams when it comes to attendance, although they do handily outrank the Oakland Raiders, the most recent team to defeat Jacksonville.

About 186,000 people attended the three home games the Jaguars have played, including their big win In Wembley stadium in London.

Here's the the top-to-bottom standings of the entire league.

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE HOME ATTENDANCE

[ranked by average home attendance through Oct. 24]

• 1. Dallas Cowboys (5-1-0 record, 3 home dates, 91,691 average home attendance)

• 2. Los Angeles Rams (3-4-0 record, 2 home dates, 87,363 average home attendance)

• 3. Washington Redskins (4-3-0 record, 4 home dates, 78,730 average home attendance)

• 4. Green Bay Packers (4-2-0 record, 4 home dates, 78,378 average home attendance)

• 5. New York Giants (4-3-0 record, 3 home dates, 78,194 average home attendance)

• 6. New York Jets (2-5-0 record, 3 home dates, 78,160 average home attendance)

• 7. Denver Broncos (5-2-0 record, 4 home dates, 76,722 average home attendance)

• 8. Carolina Panthers (1-5-0 record, 3 home dates, 73,794 average home attendance)

• 9. Kansas City Chiefs (4-2-0 record, 3 home dates, 73,702 average home attendance)

• 10. New Orleans Saints (2-4-0 record, 3 home dates, 73,056 average home attendance)

• 11. Houston Texans (4-3-0 record, 4 home dates, 71,882 average home attendance)

• 12. Baltimore Ravens (3-4-0 record, 3 home dates, 71,191 average home attendance)

• 13. San Francisco 49ers (1-6-0 record, 4 home dates, 70,178 average home attendance)

• 14. Atlanta Falcons (4-3-0 record, 3 home dates, 69,907 average home attendance)

• 15. Buffalo Bills (4-3-0 record, 3 home dates, 69,635 average home attendance)

• 16. Philadelphia Eagles (4-2-0 record, 3 home dates, 69,596 average home attendance)

• 17. Seattle Seahawks (4-1-1 record, 3 home dates, 69,031 average home attendance)

• 18. Cleveland Browns (0-7-0 record, 2 home dates, 67,431 average home attendance)

• 19. New England Patriots (6-1-0 record, 4 home dates, 66,829 average home attendance)

• 20. Minnesota Vikings (5-1-0 record, 3 home dates, 66,729 average home attendance)

• 21. Indianapolis Colts (3-4-0 record, 3 home dates, 65,645 average home attendance)

• 22. Miami Dolphins (3-4-0 record, 4 home dates, 65,153 average home attendance)

• 23. Arizona Cardinals (3-3-1 record, 5 home dates, 64,703 average home attendance)

• 24. Pittsburgh Steelers (4-3-0 record, 4 home dates, 64,686 average home attendance)

• 25. Cincinnati Bengals (3-4-0 record, 3 home dates, 63,244 average home attendance)

• 26. Tennessee Titans (3-4-0 record, 4 home dates, 63,138 average home attendance)

• 27. Jacksonville Jaguars (2-4-0 record, 3 home dates, 61,973 average home attendance)

• 28. Chicago Bears (1-6-0 record, 3 home dates, 61,388 average home attendance)

• 29. Detroit Lions (4-3-0 record, 4 home dates, 58,248 average home attendance)

• 30. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (3-3-0 record, 2 home dates, 57,692 average home attendance)

• 31. San Diego Chargers (3-4-0 record, 3 home dates, 57,237 average home attendance)

• 32. Oakland Raiders (5-2-0 record, 3 home dates, 54,189 average home attendance)

[Snaketoz]

OK, I admit it.  I'm wrong.  Bradley is a wonderful coach who has brought discipline, skill building, and a great record as head coach.  Caldwell is a wonderful GM.  He has brought a wealth of talent to the Jaguars and his record as GM is the best all time. 
I don't care if what it takes is to get the right people in Jacksonville is money from Shad, Flex N Gate, World Com dividends, or Off Shore Power Systems, something needs to be done.  We are currently, the least liked franchise in the NFL, haven't been to the playoffs since 2007, have a coach/GM with a terrible record, and wonder why fans are booing.  Maybe Corky Rogers?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Articles like this are lazy and stupid.

Ahhhh....  Reminds me of back in the day.  You know, all of 5-6 years ago....

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

OK, I admit it.  I'm wrong. 

I stopped reading after that. 

The first step to fixing a problem.... 


I don't see anyone here saying that Bradley has been a great coach or is a great coach or is going to be a great coach.  The point that you, admittedly, missed was that the names being brought to the table aren't realistic. 

We have as good a chance of Bradley going 50-14 in his next 4 years as a coach as Gruden coming in a making things right.