T-U building for sale

[Kerry]

kerry,

Pittsburgh probably wouldn't, correct.  this forum loves to pick an example from seattle, Nashville, Greenville, san fran, wherever and not even consider the context of why they have it there and we don't.  its not for lack of ideas.

ft pitt has actual remnants of the fort and other buildings, and there is more than one fort on the site, and its on an iconic point in a much larger city- one that has some actual pedigree, and its in a state park and the events that took place there have historical significance. 

that's why ft pitt exists and is an asset to Pittsburgh and the realities of jax is why this shall be the last we ever hear of a fort on the tu site

Umm - those great things didn't exist when Ft. Pitt was recreated.  The fort was completely removed in the 1790s except for a small brick shed.  Everything else that is there is a recreation that a new generation of Pittsburgers grew up with.  I imagine if it was being proposed today that would be people calling it a stupid idea. 

[DrQue]

A master plan for this site should require restaurant space along the Riverwalk. Ideally they can incorporate a kayak launch and boat docking as well. Aside from the Landing and RCBC it is crazy to think there are no other dining/entertainment options that interact with the Riverwalk.

[Kerry]

That is because the water side of Riverside has been reserved for corporations.  When they close at 5pm and on weekends there is no one there to patronize these places.  If we as a society cared more about our 128 non-working hours than we do our 40 working hours we would have a much different world.

[menace1069]

so much crazy in this thread. a fake civil war fort in the southern state that saw the fewest battles in the war? brilliant.

Jacksonville's history is what it is.  Learn to embrace and share it.

Tell that to the high schools that are changing their names because of that same history. "Listen, I know the guy that this school was named after was a slave owner and all, but hey, it is what it is so learn to embrace it."

Naming something after someone and sharing actual historical events are two different things.

I think Ft. Pitt is a good example of what I invision.  I am sure Pittsburg wouldn't give it up for some housing.

What historical event are your referring to? The fact that there was once a Union army "camp" here? It might be different if there was an actual fort, but apparently it was a camp. The picked a place to park themselves for a while. I could be wrong, but I didn't recall any battles going on in Jacksonville.

[Kerry]

This is a perfect example of why we need a living history center.  It doesn't have to be world history, American history, or even Florida history.  It just has to be Jacksonville's history.  Jax has a good story to tell - it just needs to be told.  You wonder why more people don't care about Jax; it's because they haven't been given anything to care about.  This idea won't mean as much to adult but would make a positive impression on children, and those children grow up to be adults.

There is a pretty decent Southern History museum and library in the Fairfax area that would be much better off in Brooklyn and would be a welcome addition to this type of facility.  Maybe it could be a single site for all of Jax's military history.

[Kerry]

It's iconic because it exists.

[thelakelander]

This is a perfect example of why we need a living history center.  It doesn't have to be world history, American history, or even Florida history.  It just has to be Jacksonville's history.  Jax has a good story to tell - it just needs to be told.  You wonder why more people don't care about Jax; it's because they haven't been given anything to care about.  This idea won't mean as much to adult but would make a positive impression on children, and those children grow up to be adults.

There is a pretty decent Southern History museum and library in the Fairfax area that would be much better off in Brooklyn and would be a welcome addition to this type of facility.  Maybe it could be a single site for all of Jax's military history.

The Currents of Time exhibit offers a great living history of Jax. Unfortunately, it can get lost in the bowels of MOSH.

http://www.visitjacksonville.com/directory/museum-of-science-history-mosh/

[thelakelander]

We cut off the spigot that created the entire city in the first place.

Totally unfortunate....

The before and after pictures show it all....

[Kerry]

Jacksonville still has a thriving water tranporation industry...it just relocated.

[thelakelander]

Jacksonville still has a thriving water tranporation industry...it just relocated.

One could argue that Jacksonville is still is a thriving community....the life, activity and vibrancy just relocated from the downtown area.

[Kerry]

Are you trying to make the point that if container ships were still drpping off goods at the Main St bridge we would still have thriving walkable urbanism downtown?  We don't need the industrial economy downtown (although I wouldn't be opposed to it); the experience economy is the foundation of the future.  That is what is in short supply in Jax.

[thelakelander]

No, that's not the argument he was making. Trade and the impact of being a place where rail met the maritime industry was much more than cargo ships.  That economy included every thing from wholesale businesses and retail to public seafood markets and restaurants. Downtown was, what it was, because there was a large concentration of people working in multiple industries and business sectors within a compact area. In addition, the compact area was directly connected into other areas of the city, where residents lived, by a 60-mile reliable public transportation system. The density, led to the things people miss today, like the department stores, retail shops and grand hotels. In essence, those things combined to create a place that was an "experience economy". 

[Kerry]

We can still learn a lot from Paris.  The city might be old by 99.9% of what makes it great was built in the last 150 years.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Stephen, where was the Palm Court located?

[acme54321]

Isn't Palm Court that place over there east of the Yates building?  If not that place certainly fits the fleabag description