The Jacksonville Jaguars

[spuwho]

Every coach in the NFL is a lame duck coach. Ownership can make a change at an time, contract or no contract. Bradley is in no better or worse position than the next guy. Winning cures all...

False.  It is much more desirable to be on a staff with a new coach or a tenured coach.  Gus is in the worst possible position with one foot out the door and a big ultimatum looming over head...

I'm pretty sure that I'm leaning Elwood's way on this one. 

The thing that FAs will have seen is a steady-handed owner that's not going to blow things up after a bad season (or three) when a few bad seasons were expected.  Also the fact that we're a young team on the rise in a bad division that plays home games in Florida with a guaranteed trip to Europe doesn't really hurt either. 

How many FAs were brought in Tomasula's first year because based on him being a 'new coach' with a new 4 year contract?  How'd that work out?

I agree with ICP. He's talking about hiring a DC not signing FAs. Gus is indeed in the "worst possible position" to attract a top DC. But we'll see...I don't think it will be that big of a deal ultimately.

I dont agree on the DC stuff.

Lovie Smith hired Ron Rivera as his DC for the Bears.

Ron left for Carolina. Lovie was let go after going 10-6.

The Jags having hired Doug Marrone as an assistant should be evidence enough that Gus doesnt work in fear looking over his shoulder.

[tufsu1]

^ and Lovie just got fired again....finished 8-24 in two years w/ Tampa Bay, but improved dramatically this year to 6-10

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

^ and Lovie just got fired again....finished 8-24 in two years w/ Tampa Bay, but improved dramatically this year to 6-10

Just saw the news...  6-10 with a rookie QB!?!?!

Shakin' things up, keeping the fan base and the players on their toes.  Can we go ahead and start the Glazers to London thread? 

[ProjectMaximus]

Every coach in the NFL is a lame duck coach. Ownership can make a change at an time, contract or no contract. Bradley is in no better or worse position than the next guy. Winning cures all...

False.  It is much more desirable to be on a staff with a new coach or a tenured coach.  Gus is in the worst possible position with one foot out the door and a big ultimatum looming over head...

I'm pretty sure that I'm leaning Elwood's way on this one. 

The thing that FAs will have seen is a steady-handed owner that's not going to blow things up after a bad season (or three) when a few bad seasons were expected.  Also the fact that we're a young team on the rise in a bad division that plays home games in Florida with a guaranteed trip to Europe doesn't really hurt either. 

How many FAs were brought in Tomasula's first year because based on him being a 'new coach' with a new 4 year contract?  How'd that work out?

I agree with ICP. He's talking about hiring a DC not signing FAs. Gus is indeed in the "worst possible position" to attract a top DC. But we'll see...I don't think it will be that big of a deal ultimately.

I dont agree on the DC stuff.

Lovie Smith hired Ron Rivera as his DC for the Bears.

Ron left for Carolina. Lovie was let go after going 10-6.

The Jags having hired Doug Marrone as an assistant should be evidence enough that Gus doesnt work in fear looking over his shoulder.

I'm not sure what you're talking about spuwho. ICP and I are referring to the fact that coaches (who have options at least) like to sign for longer than a one-year contract. Since this new coordinator would be joining a staff on the last year of their contracts, he would presumably only be signed for one year as well. Again, it may all work out fine (and I'm always happy giving a young unproven guy a shot) but it does make it far less desirable to veteran coaches who have other options.

*unless the Jags don't write their contracts well, which is unlikely given that Khan fired the previous and very well-respected general counsel for the loophole in contracts for Mularkey's staff.

[BridgeTroll]

^ and Lovie just got fired again....finished 8-24 in two years w/ Tampa Bay, but improved dramatically this year to 6-10

Just saw the news...  6-10 with a rookie QB!?!?!

Shakin' things up, keeping the fan base and the players on their toes.  Can we go ahead and start the Glazers to London thread? 

Lovie Smith may want to stay in Florida and be a D coordinator again...?

[I-10east]

^^^It seems to me that he is actually a good coach. Meanwhile here in Jax....LOL, I'm not gonna go there.

[E_Dubya]

The Lovie Smith firing makes absolutely no sense. He was brought in with pretty bare cupboards, and took a 2-14 Josh McCown led team and turned it into a Jameis Winston led 6-10 team in one year. That's a dramatic improvement. Two years was not enough time to give him ro right that ship in Tampa.

I'll be shocked if he isn't a head coach somewhere next year. I think he would be a good fit in San Fran. If, by some miracle, he would want our open DC position, I'd gladly take him for a year (no way he wouldn't get offered another HC gig if our defense looks even slightly better).

[I-10east]

^^^I totally agree. I really hate using the proverbial race card with anything as a black person, but it's things like this that make you wonder. Everything that I've heard about Lovie has been positive (from fans, players, the media etc). He is the antithesis of a person like Tom Cable.

[InnerCityPressure]

^^^I totally agree. I really hate using the proverbial race card with anything as a black person, but it's things like this that make you wonder. Everything that I've heard about Lovie has been positive (from fans, players, the media etc). He is the antithesis of a person like Tom Cable.

If you hate using the race card, then why did you use it in a situation in which it very obviously doesn't belong?  They would have never hired him in the first place if it was a race thing   

[tufsu1]

Can we go ahead and start the Glazers to London thread? 

You could, since they own ManU....but it is important to note that Brian Glazer has lived in Tampa for more than 15 years, and has been a philanthropist in the community (his brother Joel is less visible).  While that matches well with Wayne Weaver, it fits less well with Khan (except that I believe his son has moved here).

[tufsu1]

^^^It seems to me that he is actually a good coach. Meanwhile here in Jax....LOL, I'm not gonna go there.

which is why he'd make a good defensive coordinator here...and if things go badly for Gus next year, Lovie could be a head coach again

[ProjectMaximus]

The Lovie Smith firing makes absolutely no sense. He was brought in with pretty bare cupboards, and took a 2-14 Josh McCown led team and turned it into a Jameis Winston led 6-10 team in one year. That's a dramatic improvement. Two years was not enough time to give him ro right that ship in Tampa.

I'll be shocked if he isn't a head coach somewhere next year. I think he would be a good fit in San Fran. If, by some miracle, he would want our open DC position, I'd gladly take him for a year (no way he wouldn't get offered another HC gig if our defense looks even slightly better).

According to some Bucs inside sources, Dirk Koetter (yes you read that right) is the reason for Lovie Smith's firing. They wanted to retain him so much that they fired their HC and the promotion is Koetter's to lose. This was all prompted by the fact that the Dolphins were coming after Koetter for their HC position.

[I-10east]

If you hate using the race card, then why did you use it in a situation in which it very obviously doesn't belong?  They would have never hired him in the first place if it was a race thing   

I'm just befuddled as to why he keeps on being fired despite taking teams from the doldrums to improvement. I didn't say that racism definitely was the case, just throwing it out there. Just very perplexed that he keeps on being fired with no good reason. Twitter is like WTH, the majority of the Bucs players are like WTH, and sports media is like WTH.

[spuwho]

Actually, Lovie brought Josh McCown down from Chicago. But Josh didnt have the same talent around him in Tampa that he did in Chicago.

I think what rattled the Glazers was being 6-6 at one point, then losing 4 straight. In those 4 loses, the defense looked unprepared and beaten while Jameis looked better.

I think many in management dont relate to Lovies style of coaching. It really makes the players happy, but owners dont pay them to be happy, they pay them to win.

When Lovie was let go up in Chicago, no less than 12 players protested. 6 asked for a trade. Devin Hester told the media he was retiring. (He didnt)

He really wins over the players.

I would have given him a couple of years more, but if they think Koetter can do more with Jameis as the HC, than as a OC, its their money to spend.

[E_Dubya]

The Lovie Smith firing makes absolutely no sense. He was brought in with pretty bare cupboards, and took a 2-14 Josh McCown led team and turned it into a Jameis Winston led 6-10 team in one year. That's a dramatic improvement. Two years was not enough time to give him ro right that ship in Tampa.

I'll be shocked if he isn't a head coach somewhere next year. I think he would be a good fit in San Fran. If, by some miracle, he would want our open DC position, I'd gladly take him for a year (no way he wouldn't get offered another HC gig if our defense looks even slightly better).

According to some Bucs inside sources, Dirk Koetter (yes you read that right) is the reason for Lovie Smith's firing. They wanted to retain him so much that they fired their HC and the promotion is Koetter's to lose. This was all prompted by the fact that the Dolphins were coming after Koetter for their HC position.

Seeing as he's now their HC, that makes sense. We'll see whether or not it was the right call.