Lenny Curry on Syrian Refugees

[Adam White]

Which refugee  terrorist attack  ever happened in the US? I'll deal with it if you can explain which one it was.

Soi just throw 'refugee' as a title, and it automatically conveys "all innocent law abiding people that's looking for a better way of life" No pernicious Bronze Age ways of thinking within ALL of these people (ie stonings Sharia Law etc) okay, sure gotcha buddy....

Not all Muslims are in favour of "Sharia law" or stonings. Seriously.

Look back at what I said thoroughly. I never said that all of Syria believes in stonings. Is this seriously the crux of every argument on MJ (I'm referring to every Syrian or Muslim)? Even when I cover my ass being PC, yall still come with that 'marginalizing an entire group' bullcrap. Maybe that's the only argument liberals have (the outcrys against the supposed marginalization of everyone within a minority group).

Dude, you said:

Soi just throw 'refugee' as a title, and it automatically conveys "all innocent law abiding people that's looking for a better way of life" No pernicious Bronze Age ways of thinking within ALL of these people (ie stonings Sharia Law etc) okay, sure gotcha buddy....

So it would appear you are saying ALL refugees are guilty of "pernicious Bronze Age ways of thinking".

If that's not what you meant, then I'm really lost here. Because it's what you said.

[The_Choose_1]

No throwing labels needed.  Here is the fact.

The joined forces of IS, Al-Qaeda and Boko Haram make up 0.003% of the Muslim population and that it is simply unrealistic and stupid to blame 1.6 billion Muslims for the unjustifiable acts of a few crazy people.

A lot like blaming the Southern Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Methodists etc etc etc.

[The_Choose_1]

Thanksgiving is coming next week. We were the terrorists to the Native Indians. So when you give Thanks remember all the people we have killed for peace. 

[TheCat]

Is this about civil liberties? Sounds more like it's a knee-jerk reaction fueled by racism.

The USA is (in part) responsible for IS in the first place. It needs to pony up and take its share of refugees. Americans need to turn off the television and stop being a bunch of fucking crybabies. Just like ebola didn't get you, Syrian refugees aren't going to get you.

I don't think it's fueled by racism. It's fueled by election year fear-mongering, which Curry is well-acquainted with.

Tacachale, please see my article "The Curry Campaign is Fear Mongering" .

Beware of people who thrive on violence.

But the fear is based on racism. It's fear of the other - the unwashed, godless hordes with dark(er) skin. It's Islamophobia.

Yes, i don't disagree.

[Cheshire Cat]

Thanksgiving is coming next week. We were the terrorists to the Native Indians. So when you give Thanks remember all the people we have killed for peace. 

My husband is full blood Native American.  We are well aware of the history and treatment of America's first people much of it continuing today.  Knowing the legacy of being driven out from your home is all the more reason why we understand the needs and the hurt the Syrian people are going through.

[Cheshire Cat]

This is pure anguish.  These are the people that Lenny Curry and Rick Scott would turn their back on because they fear them.  That in my view is cowardice.   To let people suffer this way when they could find solace and sanctuary is a sin against humanity. 

[finehoe]

A friend who is an immigration attorney posted this on Facebook.  Kind of long, but informative:

"The refugee screening process is multi-layered and is very difficult to get through. Most people languish in temporary camps for months to years while their story is evaluated and checked.

First, you do not get to choose what country you might be resettled into. If you already have family (legal) in a country, that makes it more likely that you will go there to be with family, but other than that it is random. So, you can not simply walk into a refugee camp, show a document, and say, I want to go to America. Instead, the UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees) works with the local authorities to try to take care of basic needs. Once the person/family is registered to receive basic necessities, they can be processed for resettlement. Many people are not interested in resettlement as they hope to return to their country and are hoping that the turmoil they fled will be resolved soon. In fact, most refugees in refugee events never resettle to a third country. Those that do want to resettle have to go through an extensive process.

Resettlement in the U.S. is a long process and takes many steps. The Refugee Admissions Program is jointly administered by the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) in the Department of State, the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and offices within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) within DHS conducts refugee interviews and determines individual eligibility for refugee status in the United States.

We evaluate refugees on a tiered system with three levels of priority.

First Priority are people who have suffered compelling persecution or for whom no other durable solution exists. These individuals are referred to the United States by UNHCR, or they are identified by the U.S. embassy or a non-governmental organization (NGO).

Second priority are groups of "special concern" to the United States. The Department of State determines these groups, with input from USCIS, UNHCR, and designated NGOs. At present, we prioritize certain persons from the former Soviet Union, Cuba, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Iran, Burma, and Bhutan.

Third priority are relatives of refugees (parents, spouses, and unmarried children under 21) who are already settled in the United States may be admitted as refugees. The U.S.-based relative must file an Affidavit of Relationship (AOR) and must be processed by DHS.

Before being allowed to come to the United States, each refugee must undergo an extensive interviewing, screening, and security clearance process conducted by Regional Refugee Coordinators and overseas Resettlement Support Centers (RSCs). Individuals generally must not already be firmly resettled (a legal term of art that would be a separate article). Just because one falls into the three priorities above does not guarantee admission to the United States.

The Immigration laws require that the individuals prove that they have a "well-founded fear," (another legal term which would be a book.) This fear must be proved regardless of the person's country, circumstance, or classification in a priority category. There are multiple interviews and people are challenged on discrepancies. I had a client who was not telling the truth on her age and the agency challenged her on it. Refugees are not simply admitted because they have a well founded fear. They still must show that they are not subject to exclusion under Section 212(a) of the INA. These grounds include serious health matters, moral or criminal matters, as well as security issues. In addition, they can be excluded for such things as polygamy, misrepresentation of facts on visa applications, smuggling, or previous deportations. Under some circumstances, the person may be eligible to have the ground waived.

At this point, a refugee can be conditionally accepted for resettlement. Then, the RSC sends a request for assurance of placement to the United States, and the Refugee Processing Center (RPC) works with private voluntary agencies (VOLAG) to determine where the refugee will live. If the refugee does have family in the U.S., efforts will be made to resettle close to that family.

Every person accepted as a refugee for planned admission to the United States is conditional upon passing a medical examination and passing all security checks. Frankly, there is more screening of refugees than ever happens to get on an airplane. Of course, yes, no system can be 100% foolproof. But if that is your standard, then you better shut down the entire airline industry, close the borders, and stop all international commerce and shipping. Every one of those has been the source of entry of people and are much easier ways to gain access to the U.S. Only upon passing all of these checks (which involve basically every agency of the government involved in terrorist identification) can the person actually be approved to travel.

Before departing, refugees sign a promissory note to repay the United States for their travel costs. This travel loan is an interest-free loan that refugees begin to pay back six months after arriving in the country.

Once the VOLAG is notified of the travel plans, it must arrange for the reception of refugees at the airport and transportation to their housing at their final destination.
This process from start to finish averages 18 to 24 months, but I have seen it take years.

The reality is that about half of the refugees are children, another quarter are elderly. Almost all of the adults are either moms or couples coming with children. Each year the President, in consultation with Congress, determines the numerical ceiling for refugee admissions. For Fiscal Year (FY) 2016, the proposed ceiling is 85,000. We have been averaging about 70,000 a year for the last number of years. (Source: Refugee Processing Center)

Over one-third of all refugee arrivals (35.1 percent, or 24,579) in FY 2015 came from the Near East/South Asia—a region that includes Iraq, Iran, Bhutan, and Afghanistan.
Another third of all refugee arrivals (32.1 percent, or 22,472) in FY 2015 came from Africa.
Over a quarter of all refugee arrivals (26.4 percent, or 18,469) in FY 2015 came from East Asia — a region that includes China, Vietnam, and Indonesia. (Source: Refugee Processing Center)

Finally, the process in Europe is different. I would be much more concerned that terrorists are infiltrating the European system because they are not nearly so extensive and thorough in their process."

[civil42806]

Lets be honest, if you move people thousands of miles hell tens of thousands of miles they are not refugees they are in fact immigrants.  I'm not sure why this has become the cause of the moment of the progressive movement.  Before the paris attacks not sure anyone here cared a rats ass about syria.  There were a few old threads

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=19447.0

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=22093.0

If I remember correctly the biggest concern was the chemical weapons. Not so much assad "hes a reformer"  Hillary Clinton (her royal highness) killing the residents with conventional weapon was completely cool .

If we want to take care of these people wouldn't it make more sense to set up refugee camps (UN anyone)  close to syria to prevent the sad deaths that no one cared about a year ago and is the cause of the moment of hash tag diplomacy. 

Sorry I know I'm either an islamaphobe or a racist.  hell call me both been done enough

[I-10east]

No one still hasn't responded to this which I posted earlier...

To be fair this isn't some "racist Republican ideology here in Jax" (some wanna spin this into) that's dening Syrian refugees, 31 states aren't welcoming them. 10 states aren't committing including the liberal oasis Cali, and only 5 states are welcoming them; WA, CO, PA, VT, and CT.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-backlash/

It's only a 'local and state' problem with Curry, and Scott, okay...That's some rhetoric for ya...

[Adam White]

Lets be honest, if you move people thousands of miles hell tens of thousands of miles they are not refugees they are in fact immigrants.  I'm not sure why this has become the cause of the moment of the progressive movement.  Before the paris attacks not sure anyone here cared a rats ass about syria.  There were a few old threads

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=19447.0

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=22093.0

If I remember correctly the biggest concern was the chemical weapons. Not so much assad "hes a reformer"  Hillary Clinton (her royal highness) killing the residents with conventional weapon was completely cool .

If we want to take care of these people wouldn't it make more sense to set up refugee camps (UN anyone)  close to syria to prevent the sad deaths that no one cared about a year ago and is the cause of the moment of hash tag diplomacy. 

Sorry I know I'm either an islamaphobe or a racist.  hell call me both been done enough

I don't know if you're an islamophobe or a racist - but you're shocking uninformed on the subject you are offering an opinion on:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/jordan/11782854/Inside-the-largest-Syrian-refugee-camp-Zaatari-camp-three-years-on.html

http://theweek.com/captured/449516/life-inside-syrian-refugee-camps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_refugee_camps

[civil42806]

Lets be honest, if you move people thousands of miles hell tens of thousands of miles they are not refugees they are in fact immigrants.  I'm not sure why this has become the cause of the moment of the progressive movement.  Before the paris attacks not sure anyone here cared a rats ass about syria.  There were a few old threads

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=19447.0

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=22093.0

If I remember correctly the biggest concern was the chemical weapons. Not so much assad "hes a reformer"  Hillary Clinton (her royal highness) killing the residents with conventional weapon was completely cool .

If we want to take care of these people wouldn't it make more sense to set up refugee camps (UN anyone)  close to syria to prevent the sad deaths that no one cared about a year ago and is the cause of the moment of hash tag diplomacy. 

Sorry I know I'm either an islamaphobe or a racist.  hell call me both been done enough

I don't know if you're an islamophobe or a racist - but you're shocking uninformed on the subject you are offering an opinion on:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/jordan/11782854/Inside-the-largest-Syrian-refugee-camp-Zaatari-camp-three-years-on.html

http://theweek.com/captured/449516/life-inside-syrian-refugee-camps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_refugee_camps

You missed the point. why the sudden weeping and hysteria, why is this the issue of the moment.  From your links this has been going on for years .  Syria has been a bad place to live for over 40 years.  Assad the senior was  a horrible person and his son is no better.  Though her royal highness (HRH) thought hr was a reformer and pelosi though he was the bees knees.

[Adam White]

Lets be honest, if you move people thousands of miles hell tens of thousands of miles they are not refugees they are in fact immigrants.  I'm not sure why this has become the cause of the moment of the progressive movement.  Before the paris attacks not sure anyone here cared a rats ass about syria.  There were a few old threads

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=19447.0

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=22093.0

If I remember correctly the biggest concern was the chemical weapons. Not so much assad "hes a reformer"  Hillary Clinton (her royal highness) killing the residents with conventional weapon was completely cool .

If we want to take care of these people wouldn't it make more sense to set up refugee camps (UN anyone)  close to syria to prevent the sad deaths that no one cared about a year ago and is the cause of the moment of hash tag diplomacy. 

Sorry I know I'm either an islamaphobe or a racist.  hell call me both been done enough

I don't know if you're an islamophobe or a racist - but you're shocking uninformed on the subject you are offering an opinion on:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/jordan/11782854/Inside-the-largest-Syrian-refugee-camp-Zaatari-camp-three-years-on.html

http://theweek.com/captured/449516/life-inside-syrian-refugee-camps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_refugee_camps

You missed the point. why the sudden weeping and hysteria, why is this the issue of the moment.  From your links this has been going on for years .  Syria has been a bad place to live for over 40 years.  Assad the senior was  a horrible person and his son is no better.  Though her royal highness (HRH) thought hr was a reformer and pelosi though he was the bees knees.

It would appear that you aren't too familiar with what has been happening.

Although this has been happening for years, the numbers dramatically changed in 2015. Over the course of 2015, the number of refugees increased exponentially. This further intensified what was already a crisis. The main route of migration also seemed to change - prior to 2015, most refugees seemed to be coming across via boat from Libya to Italy. This year, the main route seems to have changed to Greece via Turkey. This may be due to the increase of sea patrols by Italy, the UK and other nations.

This massive upswing in refugees - and the increase in deaths of refugees - has brought this matter to the forefront of public consciousness. That said, it has been in the UK press for quite some time now (certainly for the past two years or more).

I cannot vouch for why the issue has become a hot topic in the USA - though I assume it's a combination of sensationalistic news and opinions programmes, the increase in terrorist attacks in Europe and the election campaign.

It's no different than Americans actually being worried about ebola or about IS invading the USA via Mexico. The news treats its viewers like they are children and, sadly, the viewers oftentimes live up to that expectation.

[finehoe]

why the sudden weeping and hysteria, why is this the issue of the moment. 

Because politicians like Lenny Curry, who have absolutely no say in the matter, decided to try and score political points with the issue after the Paris terrorist attacks.

[Tacachale]

why the sudden weeping and hysteria, why is this the issue of the moment. 

Because politicians like Lenny Curry, who have absolutely no say in the matter, decided to try and score political points with the issue after the Paris terrorist attacks.

Unfortunately, there's a whole lot of truth to that.

[fsquid]

it's the only reason.