90 Million more to be spent on Everbank Stadium?

[Adam White]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

Wow. Fucking tough talk there.  Damn

Sorry - I guess I was just "bitching and moaning" again.

[Adam White]

Any new construction in the core is a good thing! I'm not downing the project but I am downing the fact that COJ can throw $45M easy at an already successful billion dollar entity but struggles to fix basic stuff in DT or give the DIA more cash to work with on the plethora of small projects it is working on. I just think it could be used more strategically I'm not whining and I don't make the final call just giving an opinion. If it happens, great. If not, I know a ton of other places that money could go.

"In almost every enterprise, government has provided business with opportunities for private gain at public expense. Government nurtures private capital accumulation through a process of subsidies, supports, and deficit spending and an increasingly inequitable tax system. From ranchers to resort owners, from brokers to bankers, from auto makers to missile makers, there prevails a welfare for the rich of such magnitude as to make us marvel at the corporate leaders' audacity in preaching the virtues of self-reliance whenever lesser forms of public assistance threaten to reach hands other than their own."

-- Michael Parenti

[edjax]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

Wow. Fucking tough talk there.  Damn

Sorry - I guess I was just "bitching and moaning" again.

No problem, but when you visit Jax next feel free to stay in a hotel and assist in the funding.

[Adam White]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

Wow. Fucking tough talk there.  Damn

Sorry - I guess I was just "bitching and moaning" again.

No problem, but when you visit Jax next feel free to stay in a hotel and assist in the funding.

If I'm going to pay to stay in a hotel, it sure won't be in Jacksonville.

Edit: to be honest, I actually did stay in a Holiday Inn Express in Baymeadows last time I was home.

[edjax]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

Wow. Fucking tough talk there.  Damn

Sorry - I guess I was just "bitching and moaning" again.

No problem, but when you visit Jax next feel free to stay in a hotel and assist in the funding.

If I'm going to pay to stay in a hotel, it sure won't be in Jacksonville.

Well good to know. So I should value your love and input on Jax based upon?

[Adam White]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

Wow. Fucking tough talk there.  Damn

Sorry - I guess I was just "bitching and moaning" again.

No problem, but when you visit Jax next feel free to stay in a hotel and assist in the funding.

If I'm going to pay to stay in a hotel, it sure won't be in Jacksonville.

Well good to know. So I should value your love and input on Jax based upon?

I don't understand your question - I'm not even sure that qualifies as a sentence. Care to rephrase?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'm always kind of amused at these threads lack of attention to the other side of the argument.

I know, I know, I know.....  because Billionaire, but Khan / the Jags are putting up the other $45M for something that will still be here long after they're gone. 

I realize that comment brands me as a 'corporate apologist', but I'm pretty sure I can handle that. 

And to answer a non-question earlier in the thread.  We don't pay nearly enough in taxes, get over it.  I'm not about to 'donate' any extra money to the city, but if they ask for more, I'll write the check out like I do every year with the same moaning and groaning.

[edjax]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

Wow. Fucking tough talk there.  Damn

Sorry - I guess I was just "bitching and moaning" again.

No problem, but when you visit Jax next feel free to stay in a hotel and assist in the funding.

If I'm going to pay to stay in a hotel, it sure won't be in Jacksonville.

Well good to know. So I should value your love and input on Jax based upon?

I don't understand your question - I'm not even sure that qualifies as a sentence. Care to rephrase?

No. Not really.

[Cheshire Cat]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Questioning what the economic return on a project is, along with it's costs and whether or not it is the best use of $90 million is not "bitching and moaning" it is having the good sense to ask the right financial questions before walking into a deal like this.  If we had been more on the ball with the Shipyards we would not have been in the situation we are over there currently or our pension mess for that matter.  Just assuming all is in good hands no longer works for our city and smart taxpayers.  I also don't agree that any building in the core is a good thing.  An ill planned project is never a good thing.  Jacksonville needs to mature a bit when it comes to planning and the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars. 

[edjax]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Questioning what the economic return on a project is, along with it's costs and whether or not it is the best use of $90 million is not "bitching and moaning" it is having the good sense to ask the right financial questions before walking into a deal like this.  If we had been more on the ball with the Shipyards we would not have been in the situation we are over there currently or our pension mess for that matter.  Just assuming all is in good hands no longer works for our city and smart taxpayers.  I also don't agree that any building in the core is a good thing.  An ill planned project is never a good thing.  Jacksonville needs to mature a bit when it comes to planning and the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars. 

In all fairness I think some of the complaining about the bitching and moaning comes from the fact many just start when very few details are even known.  So then it just can come across and bitching and moaning just for the sake of that is what some people do. 

[coredumped]

Well this thread is escalating nicely.

How many of you are outraged with the funding going to the stadium are Bernie Sanders fans? Just curious

[Adam White]

Well this thread is escalating nicely.

How many of you are outraged with the funding going to the stadium are Bernie Sanders fans? Just curious

I'm not a Bernie Sanders "fan" per se, but if I had a vote and if he were an option for President, I'd likely vote for him.

[Tacachale]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

See, this exact argument is made against all forms of cultural spending. Generally, the amount particular individuals pay isn't a whole lot.

[Steve]

Well, the number is $45 million. Let's be clear-if Khan wants to spend money then that's his business.

Another question-what's the ROI on the Arena? On the Baseball Grounds? On the Library?

[Adam White]

Some of the regulars on this board . . . I mean, damn. Like CG7, it's hard to see this as something other than a win-win. And, it solves the Metropolitan Park problem.

Believe it or not, this project seriously helps the urban core -- it's going to bring some real life to downtown on a much more regular basis. The practice facility is going to have utility far beyond a practice space for the Jags.

Take a step back; give the bitching and moaning a break.

Then why don't you and your Jaguar-loving buddies pay for the fucking thing and not saddle everyone else with the bill.

See, this exact argument is made against all forms of cultural spending. Generally, the amount particular individuals pay isn't a whole lot.

You're right. But in this case, we're talking about using the public purse to finance a very profitable business owned by a billionaire. We're not talking about schools, roads, libraries, museums or trains.

Maybe the individual cost isn't very high, but the principle of the matter is what is at stake. Especially when we are having problems funding those other, far more important, things.