Al Gore on the rise?

[Gunnar]

That's prob scary to a lot more people than talking about outlawing abortion under certain all circumstances & illegal immigration. Depends on who you ask I guess.

At least be accurate.

Uh, no. Only a coupe have said all instances. http://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_abortion Most go with the "rape, incest or life of the mother" line for being grounds for it. Which I personally don't have a problem with (I think most people wouldn't). This to me is a moderate view point. The extreme views are either going all in or nothing.

The far left's problem with this is they've turned abortion into almost a complete woman's rights issue, turning focus away from the actual act of extinguishing a life. Making it an easier pill to swallow no doubt.

Personally, I'd take the pro lifers more seriously if they did not stop caring once the baby was born (or cared in the first place).

Personally, I think there should be certain limits (in terms of until when a woman can have an abortion) unless there are important medical or other reasons.

[peestandingup]

Liberal doesn't equate to far left. The clue is in the word "liberal".

Rhetoric like this just poisons the national dialogue.

It isn't rhetoric. The position of the far left by & large is that abortion should be totally legal (and in many instances paid for by Gov funds) to anyone who wants it for any reason. That's what I was referring to.

Okay then - what far-left party advocates that? I am sure there are some. But most people who support abortion rights are just moderates (whether liberal or conservative).

Not even just far left. Try both Sanders & Clinton, who are both pro "reproductive rights" & say leaving it up to the woman & her doctor of choice is the way, which basically means "sure, you want one. Find a doctor who'll do it & go for it" because that's exactly what it is. Many go to Planned Parenthood, which is federally funded. Like I said, it sounds better when you make the argument about woman's rights instead of the Gov funding to kill developing babies whenever the mom feels like it.

[finehoe]

Planned Parenthood doesn't use Federal funds for abortions.

[peestandingup]

That's a very open to interpretation & vague graph. There are many values you'd have to take into consideration when clarifying what is pro-life & pro-choice to people in a survey, hence why they used quotations around the wording.

The quotations are there because they are quoting from the question that was asked, which is right below the graph.  It's actually pretty straightforward With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?  no quotes, nothing vague.

The question itself is still vague though. Do you not understand that there are many variables to a question like "are you pro-choice"? That's why there's so much argument about it & it can mean a lot of different things under different circumstances. It also depends on who's asking the questions, how they're phrasing them, who's funding the survey, etc.

Pot, kettle, black.

Nice recovery. And totally not the same as trying to paint all Rep candidates as banning abortions across the board, but OK. What I said is basically true (see above). They don't come right out & say that, but its exactly what it leads to. That's not to say that's ALL they support & I realize they do a lot of advocating for prevention, education, etc, which is def a good thing.

[peestandingup]

Planned Parenthood doesn't use Federal funds for abortions.

Indirectly they most certainly do. If I'm funding your business every year with a sizable check that you put into a big pot, but said you couldn't use what I gave you to do a certain thing that I know you're going to do, am I not indirectly still helping you fund the other thing since I gave you a huge check?

[Adam White]

Liberal doesn't equate to far left. The clue is in the word "liberal".

Rhetoric like this just poisons the national dialogue.

It isn't rhetoric. The position of the far left by & large is that abortion should be totally legal (and in many instances paid for by Gov funds) to anyone who wants it for any reason. That's what I was referring to.

Okay then - what far-left party advocates that? I am sure there are some. But most people who support abortion rights are just moderates (whether liberal or conservative).

Not even just far left. Try both Sanders & Clinton, who are both pro "reproductive rights" & say leaving it up to the woman & her doctor of choice is the way, which basically means "sure, you want one.

You've just undercut your own argument. If "not even just the far left" are pro-reproductive rights, then it supports Finehoe's graph and contention. Beyond that, the Democratic party, a center-right party and the largest party in the USA generally supports reproductive rights.

So - it's not an issue of finding these candidates scary when only viewing them from a "total leftist point of view". Many of their views are actually scary to moderates.

[Adam White]

I'd like to add that many of the Republican candidates' views aren't so much scary as crazy, weird or confusing.

[peestandingup]

Only a coupe have said all instances.

That's all it takes when your talking about what people find "scary".

The far left's problem with this is they've turned abortion into almost a complete woman's rights issue, turning focus away from the actual act of extinguishing a life. Making it an easier pill to swallow no doubt.

So I guess half the country is "far left":

BTW, you left this part out (and this is exactly what I was saying in the vagueness):

Bottom Line

The pro-choice view is not as prevalent among Americans as it was in the mid-1990s, but the momentum for the pro-life position that began when Barack Obama took office has yielded to a pro-choice rebound. That rebound has essentially restored views to where they were in 2008; today's views are also similar to those found in 2001. Some of the variation in public views on abortion over time coincides with political and cultural events that may have helped shape public opinion on the issue, including instances of anti-abortion violence, legislative efforts to ban "partial-birth abortion" or limit abortion funding, and certain Supreme Court cases. While events like these may continue to cause public views on abortion to fluctuate, the broader liberal shift in Americans' ideology of late could mean the recent pro-choice expansion has some staying power.

Gallup

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183434/americans-choose-pro-choice-first-time-seven-years.aspx?utm_source=position2&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=tiles

Translation: The data just shows that labeling people "Pro-Choice" or "Pro-Life" varies & isn't a catchall (which is exactly what I said). For instance, only half the people who see themselves as pro-choice say that abortion should be legal under any circumstances.

[finehoe]

For instance, only half the people who see themselves as pro-choice say that abortion should be legal under any circumstances.

Since no candidate is running on a platform of Federally-funded abortions under any circumstances, it is irrelevant. There are, however, candidates running on a platform of no abortions whatsoever.

Do you not understand that there are many variables to a question like "are you pro-choice"?

You're grasping at straws.  Every voter in the United states who is of at least average intelligence understands what the terms 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life' means in relation to abortion.  Yes, there exists an area between 'none-at-all' and 'abortions-at-nine-months-for-everybody' but again, no one in the real world is calling for the later, while a number of current Republican candidates are calling for the former.

[The_Choose_1]

Rush Limbaugh tells his Ditto Heads that if the Democrats would just look at these video's showing the aborted babies as the Republicans want you to believe. Then everyone would change their minds about Abortion. I say "BS" besides to me it's up to the Mother 100% who has to carry a fetus to term if she whats to. Why do we waste so much time on Abortion with all the other problems we have in America. And a last note if your Pro-Life you should also be against the Death Penalty. 

[spuwho]

Rush Limbaugh tells his Ditto Heads that if the Democrats would just look at these video's showing the aborted babies as the Republicans want you to believe. Then everyone would change their minds about Abortion. I say "BS" besides to me it's up to the Mother 100% who has to carry a fetus to term if she whats to. Why do we waste so much time on Abortion with all the other problems we have in America. And a last note if your Pro-Life you should also be against the Death Penalty.

You listen to Rush? 

[The_Choose_1]

Rush Limbaugh tells his Ditto Heads that if the Democrats would just look at these video's showing the aborted babies as the Republicans want you to believe. Then everyone would change their minds about Abortion. I say "BS" besides to me it's up to the Mother 100% who has to carry a fetus to term if she whats to. Why do we waste so much time on Abortion with all the other problems we have in America. And a last note if your Pro-Life you should also be against the Death Penalty.

You listen to Rush? 

I listen to Rush & Sean and laugh at a lot what they say. I have felt it's always best to try and listen what other people think. But I also get a kick out how in the world Rush, Sean, Cain and the other right wing media people manly just talk to their ditto heads and to people like me they think they're going to change my mind. FAT CHANCE! I just use them as entertainment. A little like dealing with some here on MetroJacksonville.

[fsquid]

They are speaking to your lowest common denominator and it pays off for them.

[The_Choose_1]

They are speaking to your lowest common denominator and it pays off for them.

Very true the Right Wing Media Rush, Sean, Herman and the rest of them are Entertainers plain & simple.

[fsquid]

They are speaking to your lowest common denominator and it pays off for them.

Very true the Right Wing Media Rush, Sean, Herman and the rest of them are Entertainers plain & simple.

yup, same with your race baiters on the other side.  It makes them all very rich.