Al Gore on the rise?

[vicupstate]

Like it or not, people are talking about them & they have a few very strong candidates who don't sound like extremist morons (hey, its a nice change).

It take it you are being sarcastic.  Trump is getting all the ink these days. Walker is hemorrhaging badly, Bush is fading, Rubio is plateauing, Paul has declined more than anyone else, Perry is losing what little support he had to begin with. Huckabee just said a 10 year rape victim shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion.  Foriana is the only one that has gained recently and she is still way back in the pack.  Gillmore, Pataki and Graham together don't have 1 point in the polls.     

[Adam White]

...they have a few very strong candidates who don't sound like extremist morons

And who might they be?

I guess it depends on how you define "extremist". The current crop of Republican candidates is extremely right wing, though. And a few of them really come across as morons and/or crackpots (Trump, Paul, Carson, Perry, Cruz come immediately to mind).

The most moderate candidate is probably Pataki? It's hard to tell, really. But there are some really scary candidates right now.

[finehoe]

The current crop of Republican candidates is extremely right wing

Exactly.  Whatever differences may exist in their respective personas and styles, there is virtually no differences in each of their platforms and positions.

[Adam White]

The current crop of Republican candidates is extremely right wing

Exactly.  Whatever differences may exist in their respective personas and styles, there is virtually no differences in each of their platforms and positions.

Well, some are really right wing and some are basically lunatics (Carson, Trump).

[finehoe]

Well, some are really right wing and some are basically lunatics (Carson, Trump).

That is just a function of how they express the same tired, brain-dead policies the Republicans have been pushing for decades.

[peestandingup]

Most are only scary from a total leftist world view though. Each side looks scary from the other side, and I get both arguments. Flipping it around, Hilary is def a crook & a liar, Sanders is a socialist & shows poor leadership qualities (letting random people shout him down at his own gathering then going to his corner w his head down). I think most would see those as very problematic unless you've totally drank the flavor-aid down & asked for seconds.

That's prob scary to a lot more people than talking about outlawing abortion under certain circumstances & illegal immigration. Depends on who you ask I guess.

[Adam White]

Most are only scary from a total leftist moderate world view though. Each side looks scary from the other side, and I get both arguments. Flipping it around, Hilary is def a crook & a liar, Sanders is a socialist social democrat & shows poor leadership qualities (letting random people shout him down at his own gathering then going to his corner w his head down). I think most would see those as very problematic unless you've totally drank the flavor-aid down & asked for seconds.

That's prob scary to a lot more people than talking about outlawing abortion under certain circumstances & illegal immigration. Depends on who you ask I guess.

Fixed.

[finehoe]

That's prob scary to a lot more people than talking about outlawing abortion under certain all circumstances & illegal immigration. Depends on who you ask I guess.

At least be accurate.

[peestandingup]

That's prob scary to a lot more people than talking about outlawing abortion under certain all circumstances & illegal immigration. Depends on who you ask I guess.

At least be accurate.

Uh, no. Only a coupe have said all instances. http://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_abortion Most go with the "rape, incest or life of the mother" line for being grounds for it. Which I personally don't have a problem with (I think most people wouldn't). This to me is a moderate view point. The extreme views are either going all in or nothing.

The far left's problem with this is they've turned abortion into almost a complete woman's rights issue, turning focus away from the actual act of extinguishing a life. Making it an easier pill to swallow no doubt.

[finehoe]

Only a coupe have said all instances.

That's all it takes when your talking about what people find "scary".

The far left's problem with this is they've turned abortion into almost a complete woman's rights issue, turning focus away from the actual act of extinguishing a life. Making it an easier pill to swallow no doubt.

So I guess half the country is "far left":

[Adam White]

Only a coupe have said all instances.

That's all it takes when your talking about what people find "scary".

The far left's problem with this is they've turned abortion into almost a complete woman's rights issue, turning focus away from the actual act of extinguishing a life. Making it an easier pill to swallow no doubt.

So I guess half the country is "far left":

Liberal doesn't equate to far left. The clue is in the word "liberal".

Rhetoric like this just poisons the national dialogue.

[peestandingup]

Only a coupe have said all instances.

That's all it takes when your talking about what people find "scary".

Sure, but no one is taking them seriously & its just par for the course for those candidates who are sticking to that line (Huckabee for instance). Besides, you said "all" & I was clarifying that that isn't the case. No need to use scare tactics that aren't true if we're having a civil debate & we all know better.

The far left's problem with this is they've turned abortion into almost a complete woman's rights issue, turning focus away from the actual act of extinguishing a life. Making it an easier pill to swallow no doubt.

So I guess half the country is "far left":

That's a very open to interpretation & vague graph. There are many values you'd have to take into consideration when clarifying what is pro-life & pro-choice to people in a survey, hence why they used quotations around the wording.

Liberal doesn't equate to far left. The clue is in the word "liberal".

Rhetoric like this just poisons the national dialogue.

It isn't rhetoric. The position of the far left by & large is that abortion should be totally legal (and in many instances paid for by Gov funds) to anyone who wants it for any reason. That's what I was referring to.

[Adam White]

Liberal doesn't equate to far left. The clue is in the word "liberal".

Rhetoric like this just poisons the national dialogue.

It isn't rhetoric. The position of the far left by & large is that abortion should be totally legal (and in many instances paid for by Gov funds) to anyone who wants it for any reason. That's what I was referring to.

Okay then - what far-left party advocates that? I am sure there are some. But most people who support abortion rights are just moderates (whether liberal or conservative).

[finehoe]

That's a very open to interpretation & vague graph. There are many values you'd have to take into consideration when clarifying what is pro-life & pro-choice to people in a survey, hence why they used quotations around the wording.

The quotations are there because they are quoting from the question that was asked, which is right below the graph.  It's actually pretty straightforward With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?  no quotes, nothing vague.

[finehoe]

It isn't rhetoric. The position of the far left by & large is that abortion should be totally legal (and in many instances paid for by Gov funds) to anyone who wants it for any reason. That's what I was referring to.

No need to use scare tactics that aren't true if we're having a civil debate & we all know better.

Pot, kettle, black.