Avondale Property Owners Attempt to Close Public River Access

[SunKing]

and you think that would disqualify it from being adverse posession how?  Adverse possession requires a legal process.  The arguments justifying this are literally the adverse possession legal standards.

Adverse possession aka "squatters rights" requires an owner to actually be in control of the property for a determined length of time-varies by state-5-7 years in Florida I believe.  So they would have needed to have evidence of that before pursuing that route.  There are actually a few instances of that around town with similar ROWs.  To NonRednecks point, they would have been better off going that route, but chose not to.  I think it is simply a case of "the city isn't going to take care of it so give it to us so we can."

[SunKing]

and you think that would disqualify it from being adverse posession how?  Adverse possession requires a legal process.  The arguments justifying this are literally the adverse possession legal standards.

Erm, it's hard to follow what all everyone is saying, but i would strongly suggest that this is in no way, shape or form adverse possession. 

Correct

[SunKing]

it happens, occasionally

[finehoe]

I think it is simply a case of "the city isn't going to take care of it so give it to us so we can."

If they are willing to maintain it to keep out whatever element they think being overgrown attracts, why can't they just do it anyway?  Why do they need the city to "give" it to them?  Yes, in a perfect world COJ would maintain it just the way the adjacent landowners would like, but as was pointed out above, the costs to the neighbors would be minimal and it's not like they're living in poverty.

[The_Choose_1]

I think it is simply a case of "the city isn't going to take care of it so give it to us so we can."

If they are willing to maintain it to keep out whatever element they think being overgrown attracts, why can't they just do it anyway?  Why do they need the city to "give" it to them?  Yes, in a perfect world COJ would maintain it just the way the adjacent landowners would like, but as was pointed out above, the costs to the neighbors would be minimal and it's not like they're living in poverty.

Amen!

[SunKing]

I think it is simply a case of "the city isn't going to take care of it so give it to us so we can."

If they are willing to maintain it to keep out whatever element they think being overgrown attracts, why can't they just do it anyway?  Why do they need the city to "give" it to them?  Yes, in a perfect world COJ would maintain it just the way the adjacent landowners would like, but as was pointed out above, the costs to the neighbors would be minimal and it's not like they're living in poverty.

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

Ironically enough, and stay with me now, what you are suggesting would actually constitute adverse possession.

[finehoe]

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

And the homeowners taking possession would change this how?

[The_Choose_1]

I think it is simply a case of "the city isn't going to take care of it so give it to us so we can."

If they are willing to maintain it to keep out whatever element they think being overgrown attracts, why can't they just do it anyway?  Why do they need the city to "give" it to them?  Yes, in a perfect world COJ would maintain it just the way the adjacent landowners would like, but as was pointed out above, the costs to the neighbors would be minimal and it's not like they're living in poverty.

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

Ironically enough, and stay with me now, what you are suggesting would actually constitute adverse possession.

FailingKing the google map photos I gave links to shows during 2007 up to May 2015 not much was ever done to this property. So it must have been before 2007 that you kept this place cleaned up? Give us a break.

[MEGATRON]

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

And the homeowners taking possession would change this how?

Ummm ... putting money into property you own and to which you can control access versus putting money into property owned by someone else which property is accessible to anyone, many of whom are perfectly willing to trash it?  I am going to pretend you did not ask that question.

[MEGATRON]

FailingKing the google map photos I gave links to shows during 2007 up to May 2015 not much was ever done to this property. So it must have been before 2007 that you kept this place cleaned up? Give us a break.

Yes, again, its a decades old problem.  It was kept up by neighbors for many, many years.  Not sure when that stopped but it has not been kept up since at least 2008 or so.

[finehoe]

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

And the homeowners taking possession would change this how?

Ummm ... putting money into property you own and to which you can control access versus putting money into property owned by someone else which property is accessible to anyone, many of whom are perfectly willing to trash it?  I am going to pretend you did not ask that question.

And I will pretend you are being deliberately obtuse.  If, as Sunking asserts, they have been treating it as if they own it "for years," how does actually owning it make any material difference?  Paying to maintain it is the same either way, calling the cops when someone is doing something illegal is the same either way.  What would change if they suddenly held the deed?

[The_Choose_1]

FailingKing the google map photos I gave links to shows during 2007 up to May 2015 not much was ever done to this property. So it must have been before 2007 that you kept this place cleaned up? Give us a break.

Yes, again, its a decades old problem.  It was kept up by neighbors for many, many years.  Not sure when that stopped but it has not been kept up since at least 2008 or so.

OK so now we are at this point and the best way to get rid of the problem is to sell the property because the city of Jacksonville doesn't want to cut and maintain the property? And so some Avondale neighbors don't have to spend their own money or worry about human feces & needles in the public right of way. I still believe this is wrong. But this is just my Opinion we will all have to wait and see what becomes of this issue won't we. 

[MEGATRON]

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

And the homeowners taking possession would change this how?

Ummm ... putting money into property you own and to which you can control access versus putting money into property owned by someone else which property is accessible to anyone, many of whom are perfectly willing to trash it?  I am going to pretend you did not ask that question.

And I will pretend you are being deliberately obtuse.  If, as Sunking asserts, they have been treating it as if they own it "for years," how does actually owning it make any material difference?  Paying to maintain it is the same either way, calling the cops when someone is doing something illegal is the same either way.  What would change if they suddenly held the deed?

First off, you tear up the little stretch of road that is there.  Second, the property is private and fenced off.  It becomes a private trespass if someone attempts to access the property.

And to clarify (and I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for many of you to understand), the neighbors stopped taking care of the property years and years ago.

[finehoe]

you tear up the little stretch of road that is there. 

Will the homeowners pay or will the taxpayers be expected to foot the bill?

[The_Choose_1]

They did that for years, maintained it, put out garbage cans, but that only increased the problem.   One homeowner moved away and the other one just got tired of it.  We are talking about an issue that has gone on for decades.  Now that the bulkhead and sewer is caving in, it is not a minor cost to maintain.

And the homeowners taking possession would change this how?

Ummm ... putting money into property you own and to which you can control access versus putting money into property owned by someone else which property is accessible to anyone, many of whom are perfectly willing to trash it?  I am going to pretend you did not ask that question.

And I will pretend you are being deliberately obtuse.  If, as Sunking asserts, they have been treating it as if they own it "for years," how does actually owning it make any material difference?  Paying to maintain it is the same either way, calling the cops when someone is doing something illegal is the same either way.  What would change if they suddenly held the deed?

First off, you tear up the little stretch of road that is there.  Second, the property is private and fenced off.  It becomes a private trespass if someone attempts to access the property.

And to clarify (and I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for many of you to understand), the neighbors stopped taking care of the property years and years ago.

But they stopped taking care of the property so most people not shooting drugs or taking a dump or having sex. Wouldn't want to walk down to the river. Look at the old google street map photos I pulled up in another comment. The reason I believe your Avondale river Neighbors didn't want this area cleaned was to leave it nasty so only the people doing drugs using it as a toilet and having sex would play right into you getting this piece of river property back.