220 Riverside Vandalized.

[AuditoreEnterprise]

Well I would love nothing more than to say I am shocked, but I am not... After seeing the lengths people were going to just to destroy the Annie Lytle School, and reading the post of someone trying to burn down the Seminole Club, this doesn't surprise me at all. I rode by there about a month ago and some of the windows appeared to have been shattered out, but I just wrote it off as bad installation. This however means they have been facing more problems than I thought. I looked into it, as I was going to move in there before I decided to move to Springfield and they said opening was going to be October, but according to that article it said January. I have also heard people say November. Needless to say that project looks like it is really struggling with some of the things I have seen from the vandals to the not having enough money to pay workers claims and an underwhelming amount of pre-lease tenants accusations. I really hope this is a starting point for JSO to take the vandalizing much more serious, but only time will tell... This fiasco none the less flooded the 4th floor down and will cost the company around 150 thousand dollars.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/vandals-damage-upscale-apartments-being-built-near-riverside/29259710

[WarDamJagFan]

Well I would love nothing more than to say I am shocked, but I am not... After seeing the lengths people were going to just to destroy the Annie Lytle School, and reading the post of someone trying to burn down the Seminole Club, this doesn't surprise me at all. I rode by there about a month ago and some of the windows appeared to have been shattered out, but I just wrote it off as bad installation. This however means they have been facing more problems than I thought. I looked into it, as I was going to move in there before I decided to move to Springfield and they said opening was going to be October, but according to that article it said January. I have also heard people say November. Needless to say that project looks like it is really struggling with some of the things I have seen from the vandals to the not having enough money to pay workers claims and an underwhelming amount of pre-lease tenants accusations. I really hope this is a starting point for JSO to take the vandalizing much more serious, but only time will tell... This fiasco none the less flooded the 4th floor down and will cost the company around 150 thousand dollars.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/vandals-damage-upscale-apartments-being-built-near-riverside/29259710

This is a simple problem to solve. The company can pay employees who have registered weapons to work overnight shifts watching the property. If anyone is caught by said employees attempting to vandalize, shoot them immediately. Once a few of these perps are given permanent dirt naps, the rest of these hoodlums wouldn't dare return.

[RattlerGator]

Sad to say, but my prejudice says it is probably a union issue.

[Bolles_Bull]

I'm sure they have insurance for this kind of stuff right?

[fsquid]

I'm sure they have insurance for this kind of stuff right?

of course.

[WarDamJagFan]

you know, wardamjagfan, there is a forum for this kind of pointless posting.  Have you checked out Jacksonville.com?

The other alternative is simply paying the cops, who are already armed, so that they can do their jobs without some jackass deciding that a tax break that no one notices is more important than keeping your contract with their pensions.

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

[InnerCityPressure]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

We had about five accounts sign up the same week, innercitypressure.

One of them was an outright hoax account, meant to stir things up in Springfield.

One began making nonsense posts on Jacksonville history, and two started chiming in with right wing comments.

Not necessarily related, but we have similar things happen when people want to disrupt the forums to prevent people from discussing things that they don't want the public to think about.

No, this is not a hoax account. This is my only one. And heaven forbid it be an account in which someone has different viewpoints than Stephen Dare.

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.

Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.

No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars.    But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.

Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.

No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars.    But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.

Who, exactly?  Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?

Have you ever been over there?  Which shop owner have you discussed this with?

There are shootings reported in the news almost daily, and for whatever reason, nobody ever seems to know anything about what happened. I don't have to speak to anyone in particular to figure out that area has gone to waste. The news and crime statistics speak for themselves.

[ben says]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

uh

[WarDamJagFan]

Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.

I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...

If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.

Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.

No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars.    But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.

Who, exactly?  Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?

Have you ever been over there?  Which shop owner have you discussed this with?

And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?

I guess you changed your last reply to add in that last statement, which obviously deserves a response. I did not turn this into a race issue, you just did. I gave a clear cut example - in response to your argument about just hiring police to patrol 220 Riverside - about how extra police presence doesn't always work. And the CLEAREST example of this that everyone in Jacksonville knows about is the Moncrief area. There was ZERO mention of race in my comments. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever, so please pipe down on your race baiting.

[CIVIL101]

This truly is a shame. Don't they have security cameras?

[ErikSetzer]

One began making nonsense posts on Jacksonville history, and two started chiming in with right wing comments.

I've been accused of being "right wing" (certainly more so than "left wing") but I wouldn't agree with the idea that tremendous property damage is a killing offense.  I would agree with the concept of armed guards as a detriment, though, but if they had to use their weapon, hopefully they would be trying not to kill.  (Besides, killing someone on your property causes a lot more problems in the long run.)

One of the things to consider here is, what if someone had been in one of the lower apartments, and not been able to get out of there before water flooded the area?  Yeah, it didn't happen.  Yeah, the kids expect the apartments to be empty.  But what if they aren't?  What if something happened as a result of the vandalism that led to injury or loss of life?

Not really any easy answers here.  More cops likely wouldn't do that much, either.  You'd have to have multiple police patrolling one set of apartments at all times, and no city has that many officers.  We have laws against this kind of stuff, so the best thing to do would be to find the vandals and prosecute them as strongly as possible, and also make sure people are aware of how much such acts harm the community and ask the community to help watch out for such acts.