The Jacksonville Jaguars

Started by Non-RedNeck Westsider, October 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM

Bridges

Quote from: RattlerGator on October 20, 2014, 11:18:33 PM
Quote from: pierre on October 14, 2014, 02:25:59 PM

If it was 25-30 years ago, I could agree with you but the game has changed.

Backs like Jamaal Charles, Lesean McCoy, Frank Gore, Demarco Murray were all 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks. The day of first round running backs is over.
Don't be so sure about that. Seattle proved last year how valuable a running back remains for elite teams and Dallas is doing it this year.

Gurley is *going* to be selected in the first round, barring some personal issues cropping up, etc.

We need him in Big Duval.

Man alive, people preaching about Gurley in the first round? Do not draft a running back in the 1st round, period.  What a waste of a pick, especially with a team like the Jags who have so many more glaring holes to fill. 

As for Gurley, the more Nike Chubb runs, the more ridiculous the Gurley in 1st round conversation gets. 
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

RattlerGator

There is no more glaring hole to be filled on the Jaguars than an elite running back to help Blake Bortles settle into the franchise quarterback he is destined to be. It was the running of Denard Robinson that saved us from Blake's rough day against the Browns. But Denard can't be that elite running back; he can be damn good but not that primary back.

Pick Gurley. In the first round.

Downtown Osprey

You don't need an elite running back. Just someone who can be a nice compliment to Bortles. NO GURLEY. Not in the first round at least.

KenFSU

Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 21, 2014, 02:37:06 PM
You don't need an elite running back. Just someone who can be a nice compliment to Bortles. NO GURLEY. Not in the first round at least.

I could be talked into taking Gurley with a late first round pick, but not with a pick as high as we're likely to get. We'd have to trade down if we were serious about it.

RattlerGator

We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out, but do consider this:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2015.php

QuoteFor those who don't believe three or four running backs will be chosen in the first round next spring, this class has stud players at the position, so it's going to happen.

We're about to start winning games *this* season. So, our pick isn't going to be top three. We may be around 8 - 10 or so. Take Gurley. That's my mantra and I'm sticking with it.

duvaldude08

Quote from: RattlerGator on October 21, 2014, 10:36:19 PM
We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out, but do consider this:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2015.php

QuoteFor those who don't believe three or four running backs will be chosen in the first round next spring, this class has stud players at the position, so it's going to happen.

We're about to start winning games *this* season. So, our pick isn't going to be top three. We may be around 8 - 10 or so. Take Gurley. That's my mantra and I'm sticking with it.

I agree. I dont see us being in the top three either, but definately in the top ten. 6 games is our ceiling, 7 if we get lucky. But as far as Gurley, Im still a little meh on that. We have more pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball, like linebacker and free saftey, that we can use the top pick on. We get can an elite running back in any round. I think it would be an extreme reach to draft Gurley with a first pick. Honestly, I dont see him going until the end of the 1st round, or in the 2nd. RB dont go that high anymore, not in a passing league.
Jaguars 2.0

I-10east

^^^Yeah, I'll say that six games is the ceiling. Seven games would be miraculous. I only see two 'holy crap' games, against the Colts and Cowboys. The Bengals fell off kinda hard; I'm not the one wanting players hurt, but I won't be mad if AJ Green stays gimpy. :D 

copperfiend

Quote from: RattlerGator on October 21, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
There is no more glaring hole to be filled on the Jaguars than an elite running back to help Blake Bortles settle into the franchise quarterback he is destined to be. It was the running of Denard Robinson that saved us from Blake's rough day against the Browns. But Denard can't be that elite running back; he can be damn good but not that primary back.

Pick Gurley. In the first round.

No more glaring hole?

Give me a tight end that can stretch the field and block, a mauling right tackle, a pass rushing OTTO or a rangy free safety any day over a running back.

RattlerGator

You *can't* get an elite running back at any time, that's just flat out wrong. The laziness of the last few years has made that the conventional wisdom. Which was obviously wrong. People now see that's not the case. Multiple running backs are going to be taken in the first round.

Everything, and I mean *everything* with our team begins with helping Blake become an elite franchise quarterback. And Blake needs Todd Gurley. So, there is no more glaring hole we need to fill than that one. Period. If you watched us survive a subpar Blake Bortles outing solely because we got a good running day out of Denard Robinson, this really shouldn't be that big of a debate.

Few things help a defense better than a respectable running game. *All* defenses improve when you have an adequate running game. That's what we saw Sunday, and our D stepped up and shut Cleveland down.

Get your tight end that can stretch the field and block, a mauling right tackle, a pass rushing OTTO or a rangy free safety later in the draft or in free agency. Remember, we're attempting something of a modified Seattle model. Although not drafted by Seattle, Marshawn Lynch was a first round pick (12th) and -- to me -- proves my point. Marshawn was a West Coast boy and didn't really like Buffalo, so he essentially forced a move. Tood Gurley, however, grew up as a North Carolina boy and will have played in the Florida-Georgia game; he's going to love Jacksonville.

#DraftJagurleyNumberOne

copperfiend

Quote from: RattlerGator on October 22, 2014, 07:33:25 AM
You *can't* get an elite running back at any time, that's just flat out wrong. T

How is it wrong? I am looking at the top rushers for 2014.

Demarco Murray, third round pick

Arian Foster, undrafted

Leveon Bell, second round pick

Justin Forsett, seventh round pick

Matt Forte, second round pick

Alfred Morris, sixth round

Chris Ivory, undrafted

It looks like you can find running backs everywhere.

Bridges

Quote from: RattlerGator on October 22, 2014, 07:33:25 AM
You *can't* get an elite running back at any time, that's just flat out wrong. The laziness of the last few years has made that the conventional wisdom. Which was obviously wrong. People now see that's not the case. Multiple running backs are going to be taken in the first round.

Everything, and I mean *everything* with our team begins with helping Blake become an elite franchise quarterback. And Blake needs Todd Gurley. So, there is no more glaring hole we need to fill than that one. Period. If you watched us survive a subpar Blake Bortles outing solely because we got a good running day out of Denard Robinson, this really shouldn't be that big of a debate.

Few things help a defense better than a respectable running game. *All* defenses improve when you have an adequate running game. That's what we saw Sunday, and our D stepped up and shut Cleveland down.

Get your tight end that can stretch the field and block, a mauling right tackle, a pass rushing OTTO or a rangy free safety later in the draft or in free agency. Remember, we're attempting something of a modified Seattle model. Although not drafted by Seattle, Marshawn Lynch was a first round pick (12th) and -- to me -- proves my point. Marshawn was a West Coast boy and didn't really like Buffalo, so he essentially forced a move. Tood Gurley, however, grew up as a North Carolina boy and will have played in the Florida-Georgia game; he's going to love Jacksonville.

#DraftJagurleyNumberOne

Is Gurley your brother or something?  You've literally twisted and manipulated everything possible to make it point to Gurley. 

If you think we won that game Sunday, "solely because we got a good running day out of Denard Robinson", then I think you might want to go rewatch it.  Cause that game was won by the defense.  But, of course, you've claimed that that is a product solely because of the run game, which can only get better from Gurley. 
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: copperfiend on October 22, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 22, 2014, 07:33:25 AM
You *can't* get an elite running back at any time, that's just flat out wrong. T

How is it wrong? I am looking at the top rushers for 2014.

Demarco Murray, third round pick

Arian Foster, undrafted

Leveon Bell, second round pick

Justin Forsett, seventh round pick

Matt Forte, second round pick

Alfred Morris, sixth round

Chris Ivory, undrafted

It looks like you can find running backs everywhere.

I've reviewed this list several times... Nope.  Still don't see a running back selected in the top 10 picks of the draft.
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RattlerGator

Yeah, Todd Gurley's my brother -- that's the only way I can have this opinion over a running back everyone is salivating over and everyone agrees will be taken in the first round.

It's an opinion. A strong and perhaps strident one. Everything we practically write on here are opinions. You're free to disagree, clearly. I'm a bit surprised at the position some of you are taking but that all adds to the spice. The last full NFL season (IMHO) backs *me* up.

1. LeSean McCoy, RB; round 2 / pick 53
2. Marshawn Lynch, RB; round 1 / pick 12
3. Matt Forte, RB; round 2 / pick 44
4. Ryan Mathews, RB; round 1 / pick 12
5. Eddie Lacy, RB; round 2 / pick 61
6. Chris Johnson, RB; round 1 / pick 24
6. Adrian Peterson, RB;  round 1 / pick 7
8. Frank Gore, RB; round 3 / pick 65
8. Alfred Morris, RB; round 6 / pick 173
10. Jamaal Charles, RB; round 3 / pick 73

So, no -- you can't get an elite running back anywhere.

This isn't about twisting or manipulating. Todd Gurley is an Adrian Peterson type of talent at running back and he's going to be drafted as such. A top ten selection, period. In the NFL, if you can marry up an elite running back with an elite quarterback -- everything else tends to take care of itself. We will be extremely fortunate to get Todd Gurley, and he may be taken before the Jaguars' draft slot comes up, but best-case scenario is our Jaguars drafting Gurley.

WarDamJagFan

Quote from: RattlerGator on October 22, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Yeah, Todd Gurley's my brother -- that's the only way I can have this opinion over a running back everyone is salivating over and everyone agrees will be taken in the first round.

It's an opinion. A strong and perhaps strident one. Everything we practically write on here are opinions. You're free to disagree, clearly. I'm a bit surprised at the position some of you are taking but that all adds to the spice. The last full NFL season (IMHO) backs *me* up.

1. LeSean McCoy, RB; round 2 / pick 53
2. Marshawn Lynch, RB; round 1 / pick 12
3. Matt Forte, RB; round 2 / pick 44
4. Ryan Mathews, RB; round 1 / pick 12
5. Eddie Lacy, RB; round 2 / pick 61
6. Chris Johnson, RB; round 1 / pick 24
6. Adrian Peterson, RB;  round 1 / pick 7
8. Frank Gore, RB; round 3 / pick 65
8. Alfred Morris, RB; round 6 / pick 173
10. Jamaal Charles, RB; round 3 / pick 73

So, no -- you can't get an elite running back anywhere.

This isn't about twisting or manipulating. Todd Gurley is an Adrian Peterson type of talent at running back and he's going to be drafted as such. A top ten selection, period. In the NFL, if you can marry up an elite running back with an elite quarterback -- everything else tends to take care of itself. We will be extremely fortunate to get Todd Gurley, and he may be taken before the Jaguars' draft slot comes up, but best-case scenario is our Jaguars drafting Gurley.

I'm going to have to agree here. This is not a very deep draft class. I could be wrong, but I don't know of any other dominating player in college football worthy of a high first round draft pick to fill a void at TE, FS, LB.  Gurley is certainly a rarity in his abilities and would make our offense lethal next season. Get him first.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Well, let's look at the rankings (yds fr scrm) through this year:

DeMarco Murray - 3R - 71st
Le-Veon Bell - 2R - 48th
Matt Forte - 2R - 44th
Arian Foster - UDFA
Andre Ellington - 6R - 187th
Justin Forsett - 7th - 233rd
Giovani Bernard - 2R - 37th
Marshawn Lynch - 1R - 12th
Ahmad Bradshaw - 7R - 250
Chris Ivory - UDFA


Seems to me that this truly revealing information is akin to my going AllDay all over your backside.  ;)
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