Sweet Pete's Marcus Lemonis wants to tear down historic DT Building

[AuditoreEnterprise]

On a side note... they were adding more tiling to that park recently in an effort to create a mosaic all the way around it. One spark funds in action!!!!!!

actually the project is just about finished....the artists were our again last night working on the tile project...it will not go all the way around.

there will be a sculpture garden in the park starting this fall...funded as a Spark grant by the Cultural Council

sounds pretty cool to me.

[JECJAX]

Would be awesome to see a MJ story on these 2 buildings...

[Tacachale]

He clearly knows he can't tear it down but he bought it anyway.

He hasn't bought anything yet.

true. hasn't closed on the Seminole Club either.

Good point. And he also had another building under contract before pulling out. It's all just speculation at this point.

[Overstreet]

$300,000 for a building is code for "he bought the lot"......

Just cause the structure is reinforced concrete doesn't mean the miscellaneous steel, ie stairs, are safe. Or wood internal structures.......or masonry structures. They used a lot of clay tile back then. Sometimes for floor slabs.


Or for example before they renovated the St James building the sidewalk had large areas were the concrete had spalled off the bottom of the sidewalk into the basement. A typical water intrusion rusty rebar condition.  It exposed the reinforcing. Exposed reinforcing is not so much reinforcing the structure any more and getting unsafe.  Brick falling off the building tells me it has water problems and the ties are failing. They are little but one water problem usually leads to another.

In Jacksonville if you build a building you have to provide parking. In Houston same thing. But here there is no room so you see a lot of multi story garages. Apartment complexes often have structural steel with bar joist 2 or 3 story garages attached to the most modest of apartment buildings. They usually have pretty front screens and not so much pretty sides and backs.  The green space could be.................

[thelakelander]

I'd have to go back and look at the regulations but I don't believe you "have" to build parking in downtown Jax for all new buildings and adaptive reuse projects.  I believe the overlay omits that.

[fieldafm]

I'd have to go back and look at the regulations but I don't believe you "have" to build parking in downtown Jax for all new buildings and adaptive reuse projects.

Correct, downtown is exempt from parking minimums.

[jaxjaguar]

$300,000 for a building is code for "he bought the lot"......

Just cause the structure is reinforced concrete doesn't mean the miscellaneous steel, ie stairs, are safe. Or wood internal structures.......or masonry structures. They used a lot of clay tile back then. Sometimes for floor slabs.


Or for example before they renovated the St James building the sidewalk had large areas were the concrete had spalled off the bottom of the sidewalk into the basement. A typical water intrusion rusty rebar condition.  It exposed the reinforcing. Exposed reinforcing is not so much reinforcing the structure any more and getting unsafe.  Brick falling off the building tells me it has water problems and the ties are failing. They are little but one water problem usually leads to another.

In Jacksonville if you build a building you have to provide parking. In Houston same thing. But here there is no room so you see a lot of multi story garages. Apartment complexes often have structural steel with bar joist 2 or 3 story garages attached to the most modest of apartment buildings. They usually have pretty front screens and not so much pretty sides and backs.  The green space could be.................

Thanks for clearing this up for everyone. Though I'm sure most of the people on here would still like to invest millions into this building to save it rather than develop it into something new or greenspace.

On the topic of parking.... Does the 220 riverside / fresh market center / brooklyn riverside area have a garage or will it be surface parking? When I ride my bike past there it seems like a lot of "stuff" with little parking space, ala Publix at 5 points. Is there a plan for a possible garage in the future?

[thelakelander]

$300,000 for a building is code for "he bought the lot"......

Just cause the structure is reinforced concrete doesn't mean the miscellaneous steel, ie stairs, are safe. Or wood internal structures.......or masonry structures. They used a lot of clay tile back then. Sometimes for floor slabs.


Or for example before they renovated the St James building the sidewalk had large areas were the concrete had spalled off the bottom of the sidewalk into the basement. A typical water intrusion rusty rebar condition.  It exposed the reinforcing. Exposed reinforcing is not so much reinforcing the structure any more and getting unsafe.  Brick falling off the building tells me it has water problems and the ties are failing. They are little but one water problem usually leads to another.

In Jacksonville if you build a building you have to provide parking. In Houston same thing. But here there is no room so you see a lot of multi story garages. Apartment complexes often have structural steel with bar joist 2 or 3 story garages attached to the most modest of apartment buildings. They usually have pretty front screens and not so much pretty sides and backs.  The green space could be.................

Thanks for clearing this up for everyone. Though I'm sure most of the people on here would still like to invest millions into this building to save it rather than develop it into something new or greenspace.

Actually, nothing has been cleared up. Just another opinion of another situation/experience added to the discussion thread.

On the topic of parking.... Does the 220 riverside / fresh market center / brooklyn riverside area have a garage or will it be surface parking? When I ride my bike past there it seems like a lot of "stuff" with little parking space, ala Publix at 5 points. Is there a plan for a possible garage in the future?

There will be no garage. Building a garage would make this project cost prohibitive.

[Tacachale]

I think many people here would prefer to restore the building, yes. I think many may even be amenable to tearing it down if it would be replaced by something positive. I imagine the disagreement is whether "green space" is really going to be a better use than a building. More to the point, they doubt anyone would actually pay to turn this kind of money to turn the lot into "green space" instead of, say, another surface parking lot. And of course, all this turns on him actually buying this or any of the buildings.

Fortunately, at this point he has full knowledge going in that if he buys it he probably won't be able to tear it down. It's not like it will sneak up on him only after making the purchase (on any of the buildings). If parking's the issue, there are plenty of other solutions. If he really does want a green space, there are plenty of other lots he can buy.

[AuditoreEnterprise]

$300,000 for a building is code for "he bought the lot"......

Just cause the structure is reinforced concrete doesn't mean the miscellaneous steel, ie stairs, are safe. Or wood internal structures.......or masonry structures. They used a lot of clay tile back then. Sometimes for floor slabs.


Or for example before they renovated the St James building the sidewalk had large areas were the concrete had spalled off the bottom of the sidewalk into the basement. A typical water intrusion rusty rebar condition.  It exposed the reinforcing. Exposed reinforcing is not so much reinforcing the structure any more and getting unsafe.  Brick falling off the building tells me it has water problems and the ties are failing. They are little but one water problem usually leads to another.

In Jacksonville if you build a building you have to provide parking. In Houston same thing. But here there is no room so you see a lot of multi story garages. Apartment complexes often have structural steel with bar joist 2 or 3 story garages attached to the most modest of apartment buildings. They usually have pretty front screens and not so much pretty sides and backs.  The green space could be.................

Thanks for clearing this up for everyone. Though I'm sure most of the people on here would still like to invest millions into this building to save it rather than develop it into something new or greenspace.

On the topic of parking.... Does the 220 riverside / fresh market center / brooklyn riverside area have a garage or will it be surface parking? When I ride my bike past there it seems like a lot of "stuff" with little parking space, ala Publix at 5 points. Is there a plan for a possible garage in the future?

Is this based on your experience buying and renovating historic commercial real estate?  Or just talking out of the usual gas release valve?

Solely based on the fact we both know you have been around for a while... I think you already know the answer to that question. If there were some form of an all knowing historic renovations contractor with tons of experience I think there would be a lot more renovation projects going on down there.

[tufsu1]

to clarify 220 Riverside does have a garage

[jaxjaguar]

is it seperate or the space under the building?

[AuditoreEnterprise]

is it seperate or the space under the building?

I believe it is under the building

[edjax]

is it seperate or the space under the building?

Why not take a look at the plans shown in the 220 Riverside thread here on MetroJacksonville. 

[mtraininjax]

Yet another example of someone coming in from out of town, looking to change the landscape of downtown. Imagine if he had kept the space near Pearl/Forsyth with Langton, maybe he could have purchased the old Greyhound station and leveled that and turned it into a park with greenspace.

Sounds like he sees absolutely no value in Hemming Plaza, as it stands. He could be very dangerous to downtown. Buying his rights and way through downtown.