Rummell: One Spark is not a 'turning point' for Downtown Jacksonville

[CityLife]

I read CL's post entirely differently...lol.

I think most people also will, which I why I won't even bother with it.

Hate on....

[CityLife]

I do find the level of some of the discussion and tone discouraging to me after so many years in the local mix. We have got to be able to discuss all views and insights openly.  Why so often does it become and us against them or person on person debate along with name calling in the face of all that is facing our city?  That discourages me greatly.

You might want to go re-read the thread and then re-read the above statement.

[Cheshire Cat]

You might want to go re-read the thread and then re-read the above statement.

It's a times like this I ask myself why bother, but it's also at times like this that I understand how very important it is to wake people up to what is happening around them and why.  Clearly that makes some very uncomfortable but I am not going to worry about that, I can't and I wont.    Especially when it comes to debating online phantoms as opposed to people who value their views enough that they will post and debate under their own name.  I tend to pay little attention to the man/woman behind the curtain but rather have more interest in the words and ideas of those wiling to identify themselves.  It's a quirk of mine.

[simms3]

^^^^Your delusions aren't fooling the rest of us, though we might be able to read/comprehend them better if you knew how to properly post.  I've seen you completely edit your posts out of existence before (like one post above where you changed the Rotary Club story to something different altogether), but in this case you should edit the post above so that your post isn't confused with CityLife's (I can imagine he/she wouldn't appreciate that so much).

This is important so that people aren't misquoted.

[Cheshire Cat]

^^^^Your delusions aren't fooling the rest of us, though we might be able to read/comprehend them better if you knew how to properly post.  I've seen you completely edit your posts out of existence before (like one post above where you changed the Rotary Club story to something different altogether), but in this case you should edit the post above so that your post isn't confused with CityLife's (I can imagine he/she wouldn't appreciate that so much).

This is important so that people aren't misquoted.

tit for tat.  Not playing. 

[Cheshire Cat]

You might want to go re-read the thread and then re-read the above statement.

It's a times like this I ask myself why bother, but it's also at times like this that I understand how very important it is to wake people up to what is happening around them and why.  Clearly that makes some very uncomfortable but I am not going to worry about that, I can't and I wont.    Especially when it comes to debating online phantoms as opposed to people who value their views enough that they will post and debate under their own name.  I tend to pay little attention to the man/woman behind the curtain but rather have more interest in the words and ideas of those wiling to identify themselves.  It's a quirk of mine.

[CityLife]

You might want to go re-read the thread and then re-read the above statement.

It's a times like this I ask myself why bother, but it's also at times like this that I understand how very important it is to wake people up to what is happening around them and why.  Clearly that makes some very uncomfortable but I am not going to worry about that, I can't and I wont.    Especially when it comes to debating online phantoms as opposed to people who value their views enough that they will post and debate under their own name.  I tend to pay little attention to the man/woman behind the curtain but rather have more interest in the words and ideas of those wiling to identify themselves.  It's a quirk of mine.

Just to be clear you and I aren't debating anything....and I like many posters gain nothing by self promoting myself on here and prefer to remain relatively anonymous, though several posters know who I am.

Keep calm and post on.

[Cheshire Cat]

It's not about self promotion.  It's about a willingness to put your name behind your views instead of hiding behind an online moniker.  It's easier to excuse that by claiming you don't like self promotion.  That is not in the equation here.

There are a handful of well known and respected posters here whose words are backed up by their own efforts that created more than street credit when it comes to their opinions and views.  A dialog with them is worth the time, but as I said earlier, dialoging with phantoms is often not worth the time or aggravation.  Say what you mean and mean what you say by putting your own name behind your words and opinions.  I well know all of the arguments behind not doing that and to my eye, in the end those arguments fall flat when it comes to making a case on any issue.  But then again that's just me and my opinion.  I try and post accordingly, it doesn't always work though. lol

[I-10east]

I just threw up in my mouth listening to Simms and his immature venomous drivel...CC is easily one of the nicest people on here, and only a person like Simms would annoy her...Simms's obvious trolling goes totally unchecked around here for some reason. He is obviously buddies with some mods on here, SMH...

[tufsu1]

Now to the issue that Rummell tries to influence much of the direction in our city.  There is this as well.  Pay attention folks to what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to control and who is running things.    http://jaxkidsmatter.blogspot.com/2012/03/peter-rummell-goes-from-hero-to-zero.html

so....guess I don't see a problem with a resident of this city working to make it better in their own eyes...isn't that what many of us are doing?

[Cheshire Cat]

Now to the issue that Rummell tries to influence much of the direction in our city.  There is this as well.  Pay attention folks to what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to control and who is running things.    http://jaxkidsmatter.blogspot.com/2012/03/peter-rummell-goes-from-hero-to-zero.html

so....guess I don't see a problem with a resident of this city working to make it better in their own eyes...isn't that what many of us are doing?

The difference is that like it or not you are powerless to make any real changes without political and financial power behind you Tufsu!.  Rummell on the other hand is able to wield that power. The difference is huge.

[simms3]

Now to the issue that Rummell tries to influence much of the direction in our city.  There is this as well.  Pay attention folks to what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to control and who is running things.    http://jaxkidsmatter.blogspot.com/2012/03/peter-rummell-goes-from-hero-to-zero.html

so....guess I don't see a problem with a resident of this city working to make it better in their own eyes...isn't that what many of us are doing?

The difference is that like it or not you are powerless to make any real changes without political and financial power behind you Tufsu!.  Rummell on the other hand is able to wield that power. The difference is huge.

See below from what now seems like a million years ago since I'm so drained from this thread!

Also, *if* Rummell's primary goal is to receive public financing or funding down the road for his dream downtown project (whatever that is), ok?  Every city has governments influenced by powerful deep-pocketed interests.  Seriously?  I'd rather have the city cow-towing to a guy like Rummell than your average local SS stick subdivision developer or a guy like Toney Sleiman.  Wouldn't we all?

And contrary to my former quote that Diane has been dragging on for the past 5 pages (well now it would be 6), she has actually been terrorizing this thread since Page 2!!!!  WTF

47 of 97 posts.  Yes.  Someone should now do a word count.

And nobody ever commented, but DeadGirlsDontDance had one of the more interesting posts I've heard in a while:

I don't think there's much danger of gentrification downtown, One Spark or no One Spark. Gentrification is an organic process that cannot be forced, because of the way it works. Here's a brief summary of how an area becomes gentrified.

Step One: People who have almost nothing but imagination and energy start moving into a run-down area, drawn by dirt-cheap rent, and lack of interference from finicky landlords, inflexible regulatory bodies, and whiny neighbors.

Step Two: Not gonna happen in downtown Jacksonville. See step one.

I actually really really loved it when I first read it...I thought it was appropriately witty, and absolutely correct.

[Cheshire Cat]

I would imagine you are exhausted Simms.  Throwing insults and painting commentary as "terrorizing" because you can't keep up or don't understand how the landscape of everything in Jacksonville is tied to politics is just plain silly and I can imagine draining.    Time to give it up and move on. 

I will agree though with regard to DGDD.  She offered a worthwhile view and insight. 

[Ocklawaha]

It sounds like what it boils down to is Rummell is looking for a vehicle to bring forth downtown revitalization, and perhaps in the long term look for some sort of profit.  I can relate.


Let's not forget that Rummell once helmed Disney Imagineering.

I would have been remiss had I not commented on this one Simms.    I've got a vehicle for him and for the whole city, it's called STREETCAR!

...And Disney has several!    Perhaps we should speak with him???

What do you think CC?

[tufsu1]

Now to the issue that Rummell tries to influence much of the direction in our city.  There is this as well.  Pay attention folks to what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to control and who is running things.    http://jaxkidsmatter.blogspot.com/2012/03/peter-rummell-goes-from-hero-to-zero.html

so....guess I don't see a problem with a resident of this city working to make it better in their own eyes...isn't that what many of us are doing?

The difference is that like it or not you are powerless to make any real changes without political and financial power behind you Tufsu!.  Rummell on the other hand is able to wield that power. The difference is huge.

I disagree...some of the people on this site (including myself) have been able to effect change in this community on several fronts.  The results are popping up all over the urban core.  Many of us have no problem speaking with members of City Council and/or members of the Mayor's staff.  And we've done it all without being bankrolled.