Khan: Downtown's Laura Street Trio redevelopment deal 'alive but on life support

Started by thelakelander, February 05, 2013, 11:27:24 PM


ronchamblin

Steve Atkins is filling buildings ..... occupying buildings........."with people".....  and thereby adding momentum to true revitalization.

Food Trucks, if allowed to establish themselves in "excessive" quantity and in "too close" proximity to established restaurants in the DT core, will tend to "empty" buildings. .... and thereby decrease the momentum to revitalization.   


edjax

Quote from: ronchamblin on April 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Steve Atkins is filling buildings ..... occupying buildings........."with people".....  and thereby adding momentum to true revitalization.

Food Trucks, if allowed to establish themselves in "excessive" quantity and in "too close" proximity to established restaurants in the DT core, will tend to "empty" buildings. .... and thereby decrease the momentum to revitalization.

Stop now. Just focus on getting your salon opened up to take advantage of this momentum.

Scrub Palmetto

This is wonderful to hear! And not just the reuse of important and irreplaceable landmarks, but the emphasis on creating an environment for the up-and-coming generation(s). They are the future of downtown, and you just don't hear that often enough in talk of its revitalization.

jcjohnpaint


johnnyliar

Quote from: ronchamblin on April 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Food Trucks, if allowed to establish themselves in "excessive" quantity and in "too close" proximity to established restaurants in the DT core, will tend to "empty" buildings. .... and thereby decrease the momentum to revitalization.

Is this sarcasm? I really can't tell....

InnerCityPressure

Quote from: ronchamblin on April 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Steve Atkins is filling buildings ..... occupying buildings........."with people".....  and thereby adding momentum to true revitalization.

Food Trucks, if allowed to establish themselves in "excessive" quantity and in "too close" proximity to established restaurants in the DT core, will tend to "empty" buildings. .... and thereby decrease the momentum to revitalization.

I used to love popping in to your shop, but you have turned me off so wholly (with the food truck war) that I can't enjoy patronizing any longer.  I'm not the only one you've lost.  Many people in my circle of influence have separately caught on to your insecurities with the "new" and feel the same way.  I wish you many more years of success, but I highly recommend you drop the vocal activism before you get lumped in with a crowd that I really didn't think you were part of. 

Do your thing, man.  Get creative and stop bitching about the trucks. 

ProjectMaximus

Kyn, Cowork Jax and One Spark were all located in downtown within a couple blocks of this building anyway, but it's still great to bring them together with other tech and startup ventures. Did The Factory incubator/accelerator ever finalize their relocation to downtown Jax?

I think the UNF component is fantastic. Summer 2015 can't come soon enough!

ronchamblin

Quote from: InnerCityPressure on April 05, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: ronchamblin on April 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Steve Atkins is filling buildings ..... occupying buildings........."with people".....  and thereby adding momentum to true revitalization.

Food Trucks, if allowed to establish themselves in "excessive" quantity and in "too close" proximity to established restaurants in the DT core, will tend to "empty" buildings. .... and thereby decrease the momentum to revitalization.

I used to love popping in to your shop, but you have turned me off so wholly (with the food truck war) that I can't enjoy patronizing any longer.  I'm not the only one you've lost.  Many people in my circle of influence have separately caught on to your insecurities with the "new" and feel the same way.  I wish you many more years of success, but I highly recommend you drop the vocal activism before you get lumped in with a crowd that I really didn't think you were part of. 

Do your thing, man.  Get creative and stop bitching about the trucks. 

It appears you've not understood the principle ideas I've offered about food trucks ... about their relation to the importance of increasing building occupancy in the core.   My desire has been to convey that I "do want food trucks in the core", but that we should be cautious about how much freedom is allowed to food trucks, because too much freedom.... too many food trucks .... too close to .....and too often ...... around the established restaurants ..... "could" work against building occupancy in the DT core, and therefore work against revitalization.

Again .... "I do want food trucks in the DT core".

And again .... and this apparently is somewhat difficult for you to understand ...  I appreciate the value of having food trucks in the DT core ... and I support having them.  I "want" food trucks, as they add variety to the DT environment.  I hope this is set upon your mind.

However, I offer a voice of caution.  Anything we do regarding decisions about food trucks, should ultimately apply pressure to cause an increase in the occupancy of the buildings in the DT core, and not cause the emptying of them.  No matter what anyone thinks about what I've said, my concern is that we do not impair the progress toward long-term revitalization. 
 
Just as you have the freedom to continue implying the erroneous position that I oppose having food trucks in the core.  I have the freedom to offer "caution" about the quantity, density, and proximity of these food trucks.

Regarding your decision to avoid my establishment as a consequence of my opinions, I invite your absence, as I wish to avoid engaging not only bigotry, but also those who seem incapable of understanding scenarios or problems having more than one or two components.

I like candy too, but I also like having healthy teeth for the long run.  The food truck issue provides good candy for the short run, but we must be cautions that we do not impair efforts to achieve the long term objective of "occupying buildings", as doing so is crucial to revitalizing the core.

For the third or fourth time .... "I want food trucks in the DT core".

But we must display the wisdom to use caution ..... and ensure that excesses regarding food trucks do no damage to the long-term health of the core.  That's all.

BTW.  I do not have insecurities with the new, but I do have the wisdom to avoid being overwhelmed by the new.  And if you are suggesting that my position is associated with a fear of competition, I might offer the fact that for almost forty years, after having started my book business with no money, and no experience, I've destroyed my competition.  How can this be?  Is it because I lack certain skills or attributes?  Is it because I lack business acumen or wisdom?

My concern is not the competition from food trucks regarding my operation.  My concern is for other operations that currently "occupy buildings" in the DT core; and this, as a consequence of my concern about building occupancy, and thus for progress toward real vibrancy.  Caution regarding food trucks is all I ask.  ;)     
 

JeffreyS

Lenny Smash

thelakelander

^Where'd you get that? Kind of sounds like the building that's easier to get moving on, may be moving forward a little sooner than the one involving the Trio buildings across the street.  Other than the apartments, it looks as if they are filling the Barnett with uses that don't necessarily require the immediate construction of a parking garage. Good move.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

JeffreyS

You know I was thinking it was in the Barnett building and I was looking at the uses and didn't see it listed. But I see the bottom of the article it clearly states the courtyard is in the Bisbee building so great.
Lenny Smash

blizz01


thelakelander

There has been nothing suggested to say Marriott isn't still on board for the Trio.  All the most recent news addresses is the building across the street, which has always been a separate project.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali