What Would You Like Downtown Jacksonville to Become?

[I-10east]

^^^I truly believe that yall two are doppelgangers.

[fieldafm]

^^^I truly believe that yall two are doppelgangers.

That shows again, how much you genuinely have no idea what you are talking about.

[I-10east]

^^^Let me see, both are kinda condescending, both are so quick to jump the gun; Yep, I'm pretty much on point with that assessment.

[Kerry]

LOL, yep interstates are the death of cities. That explains why Atlanta is so dead. Ya learn something new everyday, thanks for the excellent feedback.

I work in downtown Atlanta one week a month.  Next time you go there compare the 'liveliness' of the east side of the downtown connector to the west side of the downtown connector.  After that, hangout for about an hour in no mans land between downtown and midtown where the connector cuts through.  Then come back and we can talk some more about downtown Atlanta and the impact of the downtown connector.

Edit - scratch that.  I'll just chalk this topic up to "some people will have be dragged kicking and screaming into the future."

[I-10east]

I work in downtown Atlanta one week a month.  Next time you go there compare the 'liveliness' of the east side of the downtown connector to the west side of the downtown connector.  After that, hangout for about an hour in no mans land between downtown and midtown where the connector cuts through.  Then come back and we can talk some more about downtown Atlanta and the impact of the downtown connector.

Sounds like you are very familiar with ATL. All I know is that the area where I-75 cuts through the core is pretty lively. So I wouldn't equate highways with causing the death of a city's core; If you was to say that, practically every city would be dead. ATL looks very nice (esp at night) going through I-75, and of course that area filled with high rise galore is alive as well.

[I-10east]

just because you have to be talked down to doesnt mean that anyone else is actually condescending.  Perhaps not using faux ignorance to get attention would be an idea.

Of course your highness Sir Stephendare.

[I-10east]

Edit - scratch that.  I'll just chalk this topic up to "some people will have be dragged kicking and screaming into the future."

[I-10east]

Dont know if you know this, but actual people live in and have to pay for them.

Who would've known?

[thelakelander]

I work in downtown Atlanta one week a month.  Next time you go there compare the 'liveliness' of the east side of the downtown connector to the west side of the downtown connector.  After that, hangout for about an hour in no mans land between downtown and midtown where the connector cuts through.  Then come back and we can talk some more about downtown Atlanta and the impact of the downtown connector.

Sounds like you are very familiar with ATL. All I know is that the area where I-75 cuts through the core is pretty lively. So I wouldn't equate highways with causing the death of a city's core; If you was to say that, practically every city would be dead. ATL looks very nice (esp at night) going through I-75, and of course that area filled with high rise galore is alive as well.

^I go up to Atlanta about 3 or 4 times a year for business. It's pretty dead on Peachtree where it crosses I-75/85.  If I recall, it's a small pocket of surface lots and little activity, with a higher than normal presence of vagrants in the near vicinity.

[I-10east]

^^^Point taken. Although I have my doubts that the entire corridor of I-75 in ATL is dead. I understand that it isn't cool to agree with anything I-10east says on MJ, oh well...

[thelakelander]

^Let's just say most of the frontage along I-75 through downtown and Midtown is not ripe with a lot of pedestrian foot traffic.  Your pockets of walkability tend to take place around streets that are more human scaled.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Can we please have a discussion w/o the bickering?

[Coolyfett]

LOL, yep interstates are the death of cities. That explains why Atlanta is so dead. Ya learn something new everyday, thanks for the excellent feedback.

I work in downtown Atlanta one week a month.  Next time you go there compare the 'liveliness' of the east side of the downtown connector to the west side of the downtown connector.  After that, hangout for about an hour in no mans land between downtown and midtown where the connector cuts through.  Then come back and we can talk some more about downtown Atlanta and the impact of the downtown connector.

Edit - scratch that.  I'll just chalk this topic up to "some people will have be dragged kicking and screaming into the future."

Are you talking about the North Ave section near the Connector?

[Coolyfett]

^I go up to Atlanta about 3 or 4 times a year for business. It's pretty dead on Peachtree where it crosses I-75/85.  If I recall, it's a small pocket of surface lots and little activity, with a higher than normal presence of vagrants in the near vicinity.

Thats the north part of the grady curve over by the civic center and civic center Marta station. There is nothing really ever poppin over there.

[icarus]

First, I don't know if downtown Atlanta is even a good comparison to Jacksonville. Strike that, I know its not.

Downtown is to the West of I-75/85 and to the East is Druid Hills, Virginia Highlands and Decatur.  All these neighborhoods have had connections to downtown via mass transit(i.e. marta) for about 15+ years.

Second, yes, there has been some development in the last ten years adjacent to the expressway corridor but it was infill at a point where there was nothing left further away that was economical.

So, yes, development will find its way next to an expressway but only as a last and final resort.