Murder at Avondale Mojo's

[I-10east]

Yeah Cheshire Cat, I know that people always bring up the obligatory aberration of an 'innocent person on death row' but IMO those are very far and few between, esp in today's modern age with advanced forensics etc. I do not enjoy murderers sitting in jail wasting taxpayers money. I don't think that either of us are gonna change vice-versa mind. We'll just agree to disagree.

[ben says]

The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.

The death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.

This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant.  It is the price paid by the murderer.

Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.

Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.

[Cheshire Cat]

Yeah Cheshire Cat, I know that people always bring up the obligatory aberration of an 'innocent person on death row' but IMO those are very far and few between, esp in today's modern age with advanced forensics etc. I do not enjoy murderers sitting in jail wasting taxpayers money. I don't think that either of us are gonna change vice-versa mind. We'll just agree to disagree.

It's no aberration I-10, it's a reality.  If one random murder is wrong, then one execution of a single innocent individual is wrong and it has happened.  We can certainly agree to disagree, but you do understand that the death penalty does not mean the person given the sentence will be killed and off the taxpayers dime anytime soon?  The law requires an extensive appeal process that taxpayers pay for and that can take years and is in and of itself a very expensive proposition. 

[Shwaz]

The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.

The death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.

This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant.  It is the price paid by the murderer.

Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.

Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.

de·ter·rent 
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.

Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing  just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.

[Josh]

FCN/JSO is reporting that the suspect was pursued and shot by police; not far from the CVS. He's apparently in surgery at Shands now. I doubt many are hoping he pulls through.

[Cheshire Cat]

Police have reported that the suspect for the CVS robbery was shot when being apprehended while he attempted to flee by car.  There was a swat stake out at an apartment building near Lane Avenue.  The suspect is at Shand's in surgery, his condition is considered to be life threatening.  There were other individuals in the car with the suspect and they are in custody.  A gun was recovered from the suspect.  Police say they are still working the Mojo murder case and have not stated whether or not this suspect is indeed connected to the Mojo's crime but there is much speculation that this is the same person.  Perhaps those in the car with the suspect will be able to help define if he is the shooter at Mojo's.  I am glad the police took the actions necessary to get this dangerous man in custody. 

[Cheshire Cat]

The suspect had been stopped by an undercover police vehicle when they rammed the car he was in.  The suspect fled and forced his way into a neighboring Chinese restaurant where a civilian was present.  He was taken down in the restaurant.

[skazooz]

The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.

The death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.

This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant.  It is the price paid by the murderer.

Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.

Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.

de·ter·rent 
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.

Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing  just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.

Oh, I see we've trotted out the Merriam-Webster... that's a way to win an argument, you could at least have found a proper definition of deterrence as it's used in the field of criminology, where a distinction is usually made between general deterrence and specific deterrence. General deterrence being where an individual is publicly punished to discourage others from the same deviant behavior, and specific deterrence is where an individual is punished in an attempt to modify that individual's behavior. The death penalty as a general deterrent hasn't really shown to be very effective, however as a specific deterrent it can't be beat-- it's hard to be a recidivist if you're dead. You know, we could probably stop all crime if we just expanded the death penalty to all infractions.

[Cheshire Cat]

I think the police said the civilian was working for the restaurant.  He tried to bar the door to the suspect, but the suspect shouldered his way inside.  I can't imagine how scary that was and in retrospect the realization that is the guy who attempted to shoot a CVS employee in the head, grazing them with a bullet and may also be the Mojo murderer will cause this poor civilian to lose sleep for awhile.

[Cheshire Cat]

I am thankful that he was apprehended so quickly.  Someone who shoots to kill a pharmacy employee and then apparently goes on to rob a poor guy working at 3:00AM just trying to make a living only to murder him in cold blood needs to be extricated from society immediately.  He will face some sort of justice at this point, either in the court or in a hospital bed.  I am sure the poor person in the Chinese restaurant is in shock.  (Note:  the police have not formally said he is the Mojo shooter but many folks, including me, believe he likely is.)

[I-10east]

I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber. 

[Cheshire Cat]

I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber. 

There are many who share this sentiment.  It is deplorable that a person would place so little value on a human life that they would murder a man in cold blood and attempt to murder another who was likely saved simply because the perpetrators gun jammed.  Right now the guy is still alive at Shand's.  If he lives, he will have to answer for his horrific acts, if he doesn't it will be as a result of his own actions in response to police and I see some form of justice in that.

[Charles Hunter]

I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber. 

and lucky for you the staff wasn't armed and mistook you for a bad guy ...

[Cheshire Cat]

I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber. 

and lucky for you the staff wasn't armed and mistook you for a bad guy ...

Truth!

[goldy21]

I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.

The police shot him, not an armed citizen.