Ten Historic Springfield Demolitions

[ChriswUfGator]

The advice was right "don't engage the crazies that post on the message boards."

So your solution is for me to move. That solves the problem because of course you want all responsible property owners who maintain their property to the best of their ability to move.  People like me are obviously the downfall of the neighborhood. What with all of the lawn mowing and the building maintenance and the improvements over time. Who would want that in a neighborhood?

Ironically no finger is ever pointed at the people and no judgement is ever cast at the people who really caused the problem in the first place; the people who neglected their property to the point where the city has to interview and demolish.

"Springfield Plastics was condemned! The city is SO MEAN!! Isn't it terrible!"

No. The city isn't mean. The owner of Springfield Plastics let his building slide into disrepair and when he wasn't neglecting the property he was applying half-ass, not to code, jerry-rigged patches.

So... take your crooked little fingers that are pointed at the zoning board and turn them and point them toward the irresponsible property owners who let this happen in the first place.

Some of these houses have been neglected to the point that there is no viable way to recover them. Getting rid of the worst of them to make way for authentic modern replacements which will draw in a desirable demographic will increase the value of the authentic historic structures and make them more valuable.

Finally I hate those little Dancey Terrace shitboxes at the end of E 10th st.  I hate driving up 10th st and looking at them. I wish they would either be bulldozed or renovated.  Either way I don't care. 

Simple solution: move somewhere else. It would be better for you, clearly, and everybody else. You don't belong in a historic district if your solution is to demolish what you don't personally like. Problem solved.

So let me get this straight. You chose to move into a neighborhood where you think the neighboring properties are "shit boxes" and spend your days trying to run off the people you moved in near, and feel the things you don't like should be demolished notwithstanding the fact that they were there 100 years before you decided to move in. And I'm the crazy one?

[ChriswUfGator]

Nicole looks good holding a drill.

Bulldoze Springfield.
Line 'em up and knock 'em down.
Especially those shitbox houses at Dancy Terrace.

Nicole loves Dancy and is being sarcastic, btw.

Ah, now this all makes perfect sense.

[BigNugget]

Whenever I've considered stalking in theory I've always lacked the motivation to get off the sofa and do it. If I were to be a stalker it would be more "meh stalker" and less "crazed stalker."  "Maybe after I finally get the laundry done and the oil changed they go on a short stalking run then I find something on YouTube.com to watch and I don't get to it."

Was there an infamous stalking incident?

Big Nugget.  Are you the crazed stalker?

[I-10east]

I've been saying for a long time on here that everything cannot be saved, but apparently someone has a DeLorean that's capable of backwards time travel. The whole just because "you're not on one accord with the save everything activist mentality"  you're 'suburban' needs to die; that's an easy way out of an argument.

IMO there's nothing more frustrating than misguided blame; like what BigNugget said on not holding these property owners accountable. Even if an arsonist burned down 80 percent of a structure, that's the city's fault too...Big Nugget clearly made many valid points, he's (someone investing in Springfield) not the blame here.  The "my way or the highway, I'm right 100% of the time" attitude that some have, without even agreeing with any seemingly very reasonable thought is exactly what make many seem unreasonable.

[I-10east]

you better smile when you say that, pardner.  make it easiër for me to aim for your teeth.

An internet thug, really? I can't say that I ever see anyone stoop this low on MJ; only because of not agreeing on a thread. SMH...

[KuroiKetsunoHana]

Speaking of shitboxes on 10th st.  What is the deal with the house on the corner of Hubbard and E. 10th? Seems like every day I drive past another window is broken and more bedsheets and crap are stuffed into where the window should be.  So while they have the EXCAVATOR warmed up from knocking down Dancy Terrace they should head over and take that one out too.

you're tryïng to present yourself as a moderate voice ov reason, but you keep saying 'tear this down because i don't like it'.
you strongly object to people who've put their sweat, blood, and savings into this neighbourhood telling you--who've admitted, even boasted that you don't really give a shit about most ov the houses--to sod off.
you disparage activists, apparently because they're so dreadfully uncool as to care about something.

if you're really such a busy young professional--all your time and energy taken up, apparently, by paying your taxes and obeying the law--then where do you find the time and energy to care enough to want any ov these houses taken down?  it's clear that large chunks ov springfield offend you on some deep level, and as much as i hate to recommend anything that might make someöne like you happiër, i really do think you'd be a far happiër creature in a different neighbourhood.  after all, you can pay taxes and obey the law anywhere--and if your fondness for old houses stops at anything that falls short perfect upkeep, you could always invest in a coffee table book ov victorian architecture.

[MEGATRON]

you better smile when you say that, pardner.  make it easiër for me to aim for your teeth.

An internet thug, really? I can't say that I ever see anyone stoop this low on MJ; only because of not agreeing on a thread. SMH...

I could not quite figure to whom that comment was directed.

[MEGATRON]

Speaking of shitboxes on 10th st.  What is the deal with the house on the corner of Hubbard and E. 10th? Seems like every day I drive past another window is broken and more bedsheets and crap are stuffed into where the window should be.  So while they have the EXCAVATOR warmed up from knocking down Dancy Terrace they should head over and take that one out too.

you're tryïng to present yourself as a moderate voice ov reason, but you keep saying 'tear this down because i don't like it'.
you strongly object to people who've put their sweat, blood, and savings into this neighbourhood telling you--who've admitted, even boasted that you don't really give a shit about most ov the houses--to sod off.
you disparage activists, apparently because they're so dreadfully uncool as to care about something.

if you're really such a busy young professional--all your time and energy taken up, apparently, by paying your taxes and obeying the law--then where do you find the time and energy to care enough to want any ov these houses taken down?  it's clear that large chunks ov springfield offend you on some deep level, and as much as i hate to recommend anything that might make someöne like you happiër, i really do think you'd be a far happiër creature in a different neighbourhood.  after all, you can pay taxes and obey the law anywhere--and if your fondness for old houses stops at anything that falls short perfect upkeep, you could always invest in a coffee table book ov victorian architecture.

[BigNugget]

The advice was right "don't engage the crazies that post on the message boards."

So your solution is for me to move. That solves the problem because of course you want all responsible property owners who maintain their property to the best of their ability to move.  People like me are obviously the downfall of the neighborhood. What with all of the lawn mowing and the building maintenance and the improvements over time. Who would want that in a neighborhood?

Ironically no finger is ever pointed at the people and no judgement is ever cast at the people who really caused the problem in the first place; the people who neglected their property to the point where the city has to interview and demolish.

"Springfield Plastics was condemned! The city is SO MEAN!! Isn't it terrible!"

No. The city isn't mean. The owner of Springfield Plastics let his building slide into disrepair and when he wasn't neglecting the property he was applying half-ass, not to code, jerry-rigged patches.

So... take your crooked little fingers that are pointed at the zoning board and turn them and point them toward the irresponsible property owners who let this happen in the first place.

Some of these houses have been neglected to the point that there is no viable way to recover them. Getting rid of the worst of them to make way for authentic modern replacements which will draw in a desirable demographic will increase the value of the authentic historic structures and make them more valuable.

Finally I hate those little Dancey Terrace shitboxes at the end of E 10th st.  I hate driving up 10th st and looking at them. I wish they would either be bulldozed or renovated.  Either way I don't care. 

Simple solution: move somewhere else. It would be better for you, clearly, and everybody else. You don't belong in a historic district if your solution is to demolish what you don't personally like. Problem solved.

So let me get this straight. You chose to move into a neighborhood where you think the neighboring properties are "shit boxes" and spend your days trying to run off the people you moved in near, and feel the things you don't like should be demolished notwithstanding the fact that they were there 100 years before you decided to move in. And I'm the crazy one?

No I spend my days generally working, working out, riding my bike and drinking good beer.  Working involves starting and running a business that brings millions of dollars of out of town money into JAX and employing a bunch of people. Again you're trying to vilify me and I am not the problem. I break no laws, I maintain my property very well, my business pays hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal, state and city taxes yearly and thus I am contributing a significant amount to my community.

I'm not exactly running down the street with a 12 gauge with a shotgun chasing people out.  Simply I drive past what I consider shitboxes and think "the world would be a better place if that wasn't there." Maybe 100 years ago they weren't shitboxes but now they are. By the same token I drive past other places and think "what a perfectly maintained architectural masterpiece and the world is a better place because that is here."

Finally who is the bad guy here? The multi-million dollar business owner bringing money and jobs to town who maintains his property or the people that sit on their porch all day doing nothing while their property dilapidates around them?  I am not the problem.

[DDC]

Speaking of shitboxes on 10th st.  What is the deal with the house on the corner of Hubbard and E. 10th? Seems like every day I drive past another window is broken and more bedsheets and crap are stuffed into where the window should be.  So while they have the EXCAVATOR warmed up from knocking down Dancy Terrace they should head over and take that one out too.

Bulldoze Springfield.
Line 'em up and knock 'em down.
Especially those shitbox houses at Dancy Terrace.

The house at 10th and Hubbard as far as I know has been occupied by the same people since I have been down the street for 3 years. In the summer there is usually a fan in the window and the bed is pulled right up against the window I assume for ventilation.

Those of us in this area, if you remember the twins that used to be around here, one of them used to ask for yard cleaning jobs for extra money, that is where they lived. I think they were about 14 give or take a year. They have been gone a while, I think "detained" by the city.

[I-10east]

LOL Megatron.

[strider]

It is sad that to make your argument Big Nugget and I-10 East, you have to ignore what we say when we agree that not all old houses can be saved and that the owner is of course responsible for their houses.  Why can't you hear that the city is also responsible because of its own laws?  Why can't you hear that we are more concerned about why houses are taken down rather than losing a few that actually must come down?  Why is ugly a death sentence for these houses? Why can't you see that MCC is out of control, whether it is demolitions without just cause or how they treat the very people they are supposed to be serving? Why is it that us standing strong in our beliefs makes us unbending and wrong but you can ignore the facts and tell us we are the ones wrong? Why is it it seems you only hear what you want to hear?

Like I said, I'd rather have ugly hope than no hope at all.

[KuroiKetsunoHana]

see, if you'd posted that in response to my 'smile' comment, you'd've been spot-on.  it wasn't my most well-advised post.  posting it in response to the reasons why i find Big Nugget so unpleasant and think he'd be happiër elsewhere doesn't really make sense.

also, fWIW, i've never claimed to be anything i'm not.  i'm a skinny little white kid who can't fight and doesn't run so good anymore either--i just don't see any reason why that should prevent me from voicing my opinions.

[BigNugget]

Your lack of perceptiveness may be insulating you from some of my sarcasm.

I think the Dancy Terrace houses are horrible.  I don't like driving past little shitbox houses that are so rotten that I can see though the walls.  I'm sure with hundreds of thousands of dollars of re-construction effort they could be cute little nugget houses. They might not actually have a market in the modern world what with no parking and pain in the ass access and tiny size.  Again that is my opinion and I have a right to that opinion. 

I would like to see them renovated but I question if they have any actual value in a modern marketplace. If the choice is that they continue to dilapidate for the next ten years until they actually fall into the ground on their own.  I'd rather see them demolished sooner than later.

Speaking of shitboxes on 10th st.  What is the deal with the house on the corner of Hubbard and E. 10th? Seems like every day I drive past another window is broken and more bedsheets and crap are stuffed into where the window should be.  So while they have the EXCAVATOR warmed up from knocking down Dancy Terrace they should head over and take that one out too.

you're tryïng to present yourself as a moderate voice ov reason, but you keep saying 'tear this down because i don't like it'.
you strongly object to people who've put their sweat, blood, and savings into this neighbourhood telling you--who've admitted, even boasted that you don't really give a shit about most ov the houses--to sod off.
you disparage activists, apparently because they're so dreadfully uncool as to care about something.

if you're really such a busy young professional--all your time and energy taken up, apparently, by paying your taxes and obeying the law--then where do you find the time and energy to care enough to want any ov these houses taken down?  it's clear that large chunks ov springfield offend you on some deep level, and as much as i hate to recommend anything that might make someöne like you happiër, i really do think you'd be a far happiër creature in a different neighbourhood.  after all, you can pay taxes and obey the law anywhere--and if your fondness for old houses stops at anything that falls short perfect upkeep, you could always invest in a coffee table book ov victorian architecture.

[sheclown]

And you are entitled to your feelings; however since the house are federally protected, it can't legally be done