The Jacksonville Jaguars

[marksjax]

DD, if you re-read my post I implied the lack of moves in the off season was ongoing for more than just one year.
WW operated on the cheap. This is apparent and the acknowledged fact now that he has sold the team.
That regime did not want to win badly enough. He was fine just being an owner which is quite an accomplishment in itself.
But if you compare the owners/management of the Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Cowboys, Packers, Broncos, Redskins, 49r's, Colts to name a few you will find the elite teams are going for championships every year. For them, being in the 'club' (an NFL owner) is not enough. They have the desire to win and dominate. The Jaguars do the talk but don't 'walk the walk'.
Re: New owner Mr. Khan, too early to tell if this is a passion for him or just another asset.
Time will tell.
My point is we are not and never will be an elite team unless the owner/managers get as serious as these other teams.
What is obvious is we are at the bottom of the NFL barrel which is sad but like they say, you have to hit bottom before you get better so perhaps this is our nadir and it will improve starting next year ( but ya gotta get after it in the off season and the draft).
Just my $.02 worth

[duvaldude08]

DD, if you re-read my post I implied the lack of moves in the off season was ongoing for more than just one year.
WW operated on the cheap. This is apparent and the acknowledged fact now that he has sold the team.
That regime did not want to win badly enough. He was fine just being an owner which is quite an accomplishment in itself.
But if you compare the owners/management of the Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Cowboys, Packers, Broncos, Redskins, 49r's, Colts to name a few you will find the elite teams are going for championships every year. For them, being in the 'club' (an NFL owner) is not enough. They have the desire to win and dominate. The Jaguars do the talk but don't 'walk the walk'.
Re: New owner Mr. Khan, too early to tell if this is a passion for him or just another asset.
Time will tell.
My point is we are not and never will be an elite team unless the owner/managers get as serious as these other teams.
What is obvious is we are at the bottom of the NFL barrel which is sad but like they say, you have to hit bottom before you get better so perhaps this is our nadir and it will improve starting next year ( but ya gotta get after it in the off season and the draft).
Just my $.02 worth

Ahhhhhh.. I hear you now. agreed agreed agreed 

[I-10east]

I'm already looking forward to next season. It can't get any more rock bottom than this. So much for the magical black uniforms that everybody seem to like. Gabbert deserves all the blame in the world with this lost, and I'm a pro-Gabbert guy; Bad reads, overthrowing receivers, and turnovers was the theme. Our pass rush is atrocious, we might set a NFL record for least sacks in a year; I'm surprised that we got a sack yesterday. Through thick and thin, I'm still a Jags fan no matter what, but I'm definitely looking forward to the changes that will come next year.

[spuwho]

I'm already looking forward to next season. It can't get any more rock bottom than this. So much for the magical black uniforms that everybody seem to like. Gabbert deserves all the blame in the world with this lost, and I'm a pro-Gabbert guy; Bad reads, overthrowing receivers, and turnovers was the theme. Our pass rush is atrocious, we might set a NFL record for least sacks in a year; I'm surprised that we got a sack yesterday. Through thick and thin, I'm still a Jags fan no matter what, but I'm definitely looking forward to the changes that will come next year.

Having been at the game and seeing it up close, the Bears fans around me were commenting that it wasn't all Gabbert's fault. There were several plays where Gabbert read the Bears defense correctly and put Blackmon in an isolation. But Blackmon didn't pick up the read at all, and had this total look of "Huh" when the pass went over his head.  The one fumble on Gabbert was actually an offside by the Bears DE. Watch the replays and you will see he jumped the snap. Seeing that Blackmon was not picking up on the isolations, the Bears were free to pull the safety up. It happened several times. The Cecil Shorts one handed catch was clearly based on a great read at the line of scrimmage.

On the other hand, Cutler and Brandon Marshall, we could see Cutler clearly sending hand signals to Marshall depending on where Derek Cox lined up.

So I wouldn't pile it up all on Gabbert, from our view he was actually trying to make the right reads. He seemed to be picking up most of the Bears alignments in the first half, but not all of his players were seeing the same thing.

The Bears have a really good defense, and good defenses can make average teams look really bad.

If you read the Chicago papers, they were nearly insulted that such an inferior team could hold the Bears to so few points in 3 quarters. Was it the Bears perceived "slumber" or a Jags D that was succeeding in restraining Matt Forte? My view was that the Jags D was up for the challenge and was holding tight for awhile.

[ben says]

I'm already looking forward to next season. It can't get any more rock bottom than this. So much for the magical black uniforms that everybody seem to like. Gabbert deserves all the blame in the world with this lost, and I'm a pro-Gabbert guy; Bad reads, overthrowing receivers, and turnovers was the theme. Our pass rush is atrocious, we might set a NFL record for least sacks in a year; I'm surprised that we got a sack yesterday. Through thick and thin, I'm still a Jags fan no matter what, but I'm definitely looking forward to the changes that will come next year.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: it's not just Gabbert. Gabbert is an example of Gene's lack of talent acquisition. The problem is a general lack of talent, end of story. That being said, Gabbert does get SOME of the blame. Great QBs make it happen no matter what. Even in losses, you can tell they're working it hard. Look at RGIII, Luck, Newton. Even if they don't win a game, you can tell: those are winning QBs.

[downtownjag]

I agree it's not just Blaine.  Even if he isn't a superstar, he could be serviceable.  There's just soo many problems at soo many positions it's depressing.  I too will support the team and buy my season tickets forever, because I'm happy to go to the games, tailgating is great, and we WILL win the big one one day, but right now it's depressing.

Gene has to go.  It feels like Moneyball, but with a crappy, more realistic ending.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Listening to the MNF pre-game....  The Redskins have lost 8 in a row at home - at least we've got that going for us, we're only at 3, so let's keep some perspective about us.   

[duvaldude08]

I'm already looking forward to next season. It can't get any more rock bottom than this. So much for the magical black uniforms that everybody seem to like. Gabbert deserves all the blame in the world with this lost, and I'm a pro-Gabbert guy; Bad reads, overthrowing receivers, and turnovers was the theme. Our pass rush is atrocious, we might set a NFL record for least sacks in a year; I'm surprised that we got a sack yesterday. Through thick and thin, I'm still a Jags fan no matter what, but I'm definitely looking forward to the changes that will come next year.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: it's not just Gabbert. Gabbert is an example of Gene's lack of talent acquisition. The problem is a general lack of talent, end of story. That being said, Gabbert does get SOME of the blame. Great QBs make it happen no matter what. Even in losses, you can tell they're working it hard. Look at RGIII, Luck, Newton. Even if they don't win a game, you can tell: those are winning QBs.

Then again, you look back at people like Eli Manning who looked like crap when he was a rookie. But I do get your point  Honestly there is just not enough experience on the team. I see a young team who is trying to figure things out. We have VERY few veterans on this team. And lets talking about "rebuilding". Some people say "weve been rebuliding for 4 years. " This is true. However, its not like we drafted the entire team 4 years ago. Which means you have guys who are one different levels of play not to mention drafted in different rounds. All of their development will be different and take time. no excuse for Gene, but we have to see that. If we get a new GM, He is NOT going to gut the roster. Fans things they know it all, but at the end of the we are not a GM. I can more than guarentee a new GM will just build upon whats already there and evaluate some positions. I dont see any GM gutting this roster. We have decent players with potential, we just need game changers.

[duvaldude08]

Just read that Cecil Shorts will be getting more playing time.. FINALLY! When you only have 8 catches for 205 yards, you deserve more playing time. He is the only receiver on our roster that actually makes plays. He's had a perfect ball, semi perfect ball, and a overthrown ball come his way and he made the adjustment to catch them all. And actually looking at the clip, the ball wasnt overthrown. Even the sports casters were saying that Cecil did not have to jump, and if had just kept running the ball would have fallen right in his hands and he probably could have made a run for the TD. In personal it looked overthrown. That is one reason I love seeing it on film also.That is what the hell we need right now. I felt Robinson going down happen for a reason.  Had things went the way they should have, he would have to games winning TD's under his belt right now. Him along with Blackmon's ability to pick up YAC I think will be a good combo going forward. Thomas needs to stay in the #3 slot and be ignored. He is a lazy turd. 

The team just has to get constant as a whole in order for us to move forward. I really hope this time to regroup will help them.

[duvaldude08]

Dang weve been quiet the entire bye week! I guess we all needed a mental break. Well I just read that Khan told the business journal he will NOT be trying to bid for the superbowl THANK GOD. He cited that it wouldnt be a good use of Jacksonville's resources. Sounds about right. The city is broke and is just not in the position to host a superbowl in more ways than one.

He also mentioned that us being London's home team will allow us to get sponsorships in the UK. I, for one, have seen the big picture ever since Khan took over. London is all about exposure and making this franchise some money. Im just nervous about the product were going to have on the field.. hopefully someone waves a magic wand next season  Anyways, looking forward to the "battle of the bottom" on Sunday. hopefully we can get a W.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Drew Brees is another example of a QB who played poorly for three years before the light went on.  And he is not nearly as physically talented as Gabbert, and Gabbert is no slouch in terms of football IQ either.  Far too early to give up on him.

[duvaldude08]

Drew Brees is another example of a QB who played poorly for three years before the light went on.  And he is not nearly as physically talented as Gabbert, and Gabbert is no slouch in terms of football IQ either.  Far too early to give up on him.

I agree. I write last year completely. I think they set back he's expericing now, is a results off that crap he was thrown into last year. Thats why I really try to steer away from the gabbert bashing. If he doesnt work out for us, its our fault and not his. I am still hoping that Del Rio did not ruin his career. I think thats alot of the reason the new coaching staff has his back. A blind man can see that he was thrown into some bull crap last year.

[Bridges]

Drew Brees is another example of a QB who played poorly for three years before the light went on.

Let's not go rewriting history here to make a case for Gabbert. 

[Wacca Pilatka]

How is that rewriting history?  Brees was awful in 2001-03.  It doesn't mean that Gabbert will follow that path; it just is to say that not every ultimately successful QB adjusts to the NFL that quickly.

[Bridges]

How is that rewriting history?  Brees was awful in 2001-03.

He played 1 game in 2001
He played 16 in 2002, completed 60.8%, 3284 yards, 17/16 td/int, three 300 yard games
He only played 11 games in 2003, 57%, 2108 (on pace for 3066), 11/15 (on pace for 16/21), one 300 yard game.

What I wouldn't give for Gabbert to be as bad as Brees in his firs 3 years.

Brees obviously wasn't at the level he is now, but he was pretty far advanced than Gabbert.  Gabbert hasn't even sniffed 300, Hell he hasn't even seen 261.