JEA Bill

[Ernest Street]

Anyone have more info of this practice of "Averaging" the bills that ChriswUFgator mentioned on page 11?
My summer bill with 2 A/C  units for two floors can be $300-450 a month.
Last winter as an experiment I got the bill down to $125. This was living in the dark with downstairs heat only turned on below 30. (no heat pump/heat strips upstairs)
Now it seems the winter bills have come up.
They can do this? Charge for a service based on speculation?
They actually gave up reading meters?

[tufsu1]

they occassionally miss the meter one month and speculate (which in my case seems to usually be high)....I then get a lower bill than normal the next month when they do read tyhe meter

[mtraininjax]

Good golly, let's point the finger at someone for JEA's high prices, might as well add on CSX to blame. After all the coal for the Northside Generating station comes by way of rail, and it does not come from the sky. So blame some of those costs for higher prices on CSX.

Most of the power Jacksonville uses anyway comes from Plant Vogle in Georgia, and sent down over transmission lines. Its far cheaper to consume power made in Georgia than to consume the stuff the SJRPP or Northside or Southside stations manufacturer.

JEA is a business, and it does put money back into the City coffers, would it be better to throw the money to FPL or Georgia Power? How about Progress Energy? No one has seen high prices for power until you get to South Florida. OMG, we think we have it rough!

West Va, lucky SOB's, little load and all the coal they can dig out of the ground!

Do not, repeat NOT, go to gas from TECO. Their prices will rock you to your socks. High prices and year round service charges. My sister disconnected her gas heat from TECO and is using space heaters in the rooms where they spend time - the living room on during the evening and the bedroom/bathroom at night.

I have had TECO for 12 years in Avondale, had an upstairs gas furnace for 2nd floor, 80 gallon hot water heater and stove with gas, I like having an alternative. Much cheaper to use gas for a backup generator in residential. RAP would have a PURPLE COW if I added a 500 gallon tank in my backyard for backup generator fuel.

[Dog Walker]

Mtrain,  information request;  How does natural gas get pumped in a widespread power outage?  I considered a natural gas backup generator, but TECO couldn't answer my question about the reliability of their supply in a regional outage so I opted for a portable generator.

My guest house on TECO gas for heat, stove get charged $17.00/ month whether I use gas or not.  One of my neighbors who had TECO gas and $400/month heat bills in the winter shifted to high SEER heat pumps and cut her heat bills in half.

We keep reading in the newspaper how there is a glut of natural gas in this country and how the prices have never been lower.  Have you seen a reduction in your BTU charge from TECO or are they keeping their rates high and pocketing the difference?

[If_I_Loved_you]

I came across this by accident? Have you heard of "Smart Meters" it seems no one has. But right now there could be a smart meter on your home or business right now. Now if you go on the JEA website and put in smart meter nothing comes up? But put in the word meter alone and you get 32 hits and here is one you should read (
How to Read My Meter



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How to Read My Meter



We’re committed to our customers, and we believe our customers expect and deserve the best service and state-of-the-art equipment. Accurate, timely meter reading and accurate billing are a key part of providing good service. Network Meter Reading (NMR), which doesn’t require a meter reader to come to your home, offers many benefits to our customers, which include:
•Timely and accurate meter reading, even in bad weather or in places where the meter is difficult to read.
•No more estimated bills due to locked gates, limited access to the customer's meter, dogs in the yard, etc.
•No intrusion onto customer property. Currently, most meters are read each month by a person who has to enter the yard physically.
•Our engineers will now have the capability of taking an area "snap shot" of the electric load for planning purposes and be able to correctly size transformers, increasing electric reliability in your area.)


And check these website's out also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_meter_reading and one more site http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/privacy-on-the-smart-grid

[Josh]

They've been around for several years now. They're the digital meters that upload their usage to a cellular network every day; so even though you're billed for a month's usage, power usage for each day can be examined.

The "smart grid" is more of a buzzword used to describe meters even "smarter" than this (2-way meters) that can be disconnected or controlled remotely.

[If_I_Loved_you]

They've been around for several years now. They're the digital meters that upload their usage to a cellular network every day; so even though you're billed for a month's usage, power usage for each day can be looked examined.

The "smart grid" is more of a buzzword used to describe meters even "smarter" than this (2-way meters) that can be disconnected or controlled remotely.

Thanks for the info Josh I have lived in Jax for over 40 years and I never heard about smart meter's until yesterday and the technology that goes with it.

[mtraininjax]

Thanks for the info Josh I have lived in Jax for over 40 years and I never heard about smart meter's until yesterday and the technology that goes with it.

Wow, Schlumberger has had them installed since 1995. Not new by any stretch of the imagination....

[If_I_Loved_you]

Thanks for the info Josh I have lived in Jax for over 40 years and I never heard about smart meter's until yesterday and the technology that goes with it.

Wow, Schlumberger has had them installed since 1995. Not new by any stretch of the imagination....

I didn't care I paid my bill and moved on.

[Lunican]

It looks like JEA does have on and off peak rates available for residential service, but it says 'optional' so you may have to specifically ask for it. However, you probably don't want to ask for it because it will probably cost more.

RESIDENTIAL SERVICE

Rate Per Month: $5.50 Customer Charge, plus
6.624 cent per kWh
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges


RESIDENTIAL TIME OF DAY SERVICE (OPTIONAL)

Rate Per Month $14.30 Customer Charge, plus
12.426 cent per kWh during On-Peak hours
4.006 cent per kWh during Off-Peak hours
plus applicable Fuel, Environmental, and Conservation Charges

On-peak periods shall be defined as follows:
6 a.m.-10 a.m. - November through March, weekdays only
6 p.m.-10 p.m. - November through March, weekdays only
12 Noon-9 p.m. - April through October; weekdays only

Page 14 -15
https://www.jea.com/About_Us/Tariffs_and_Reports/Electric_Tariff_Effective_11-22-12.aspx

[Lunican]

Also, according to my bill for 2,000 gallons, JEA is charging 2.85 cents per gallon (including sewer). Seems expensive.

[Lunican]

For 3,000 gallons they charge 2.134 cents per gallon.

4,000 gallons = 1.774 cents per gallon.

[spuwho]

For 3,000 gallons they charge 2.134 cents per gallon.

4,000 gallons = 1.774 cents per gallon.

Is there any way for JEA to spit out a compare to show what the optional billing will look like? Maybe my off-peak use justifies peak metering.

[Lunican]

So does anyone else think that 2.85 cents per gallon is extremely high for city water? I guess they are charging extra for all the chlorine and calcium?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So does anyone else think that 2.85 cents per gallon is extremely high for city water? I guess they are charging extra for all the chlorine and calcium?

Me thinks that's per 100 gal....